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Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:54 am to hob
I've owned a masonry company for thirty years. In that time, I've seen maybe one white crew pounding on rocks all day. My guys are all here legally, but that's not the norm. Most are here on a work permit, but for some reason, our government takes years to issue a green card. I've had a few get their American citizenship. The myth that they are paid less than the average construction worker is false, at least in my trade. They all make an average of $30 an hour when you figure it all up. There are gonna be some hard times coming in the construction industry. I think Trump is gonna have to start allowing more work permits and green cards to some that can prove they are helping the American economy and paying their taxes.
It's definitely the right thing to deport these people that are here illegally, but on the flip side, it shouldn't take ten years to apply and get the proper paperwork to come and work in this country. I guarantee Trump has illegals working for him with all the businesses that he is part of.
It's definitely the right thing to deport these people that are here illegally, but on the flip side, it shouldn't take ten years to apply and get the proper paperwork to come and work in this country. I guarantee Trump has illegals working for him with all the businesses that he is part of.
This post was edited on 2/21/25 at 11:55 am
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:54 am to cgrand
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the myth that Hispanic labor is somehow cheaper than non-Hispanic labor is pervasive but false at least in my market (commercial). They are VERY well paid
Even if pay rate is equal it'll still cost ~40% more to employee US labor because of taxes, benefits, workmans comp, etc.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:56 am to mmmmmbeeer
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mmmmmbeeer
Whoa just got super creepy in here.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:57 am to billjamin
Trump should get rid of workman’s comp
Even the name sounds communist
Even the name sounds communist
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:58 am to billjamin
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Even if pay rate is equal it'll still cost ~40% more to employee US labor because of taxes, benefits, workmans comp, etc.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Companies still pay taxes, insurance etc with these people. The government for the last thirty years has allowed anyone to get a federal tax ID. Trump did nothing to change this in his first term.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:58 am to deathvalleyfreak43
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Everyone in the construction industry
They should be fined too.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:00 pm to AirbusDawg
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You have no idea what you're talking about. Companies still pay taxes, insurance etc with these people. The government for the last thirty years has allowed anyone to get a federal tax ID. Trump did nothing to change this in his first term.
You really think they're accurately reporting their wages? I believe they report enough to keep the IRS off their arse and do as much as possible under the table.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:00 pm to Baers Foot
Well back in the day my dad and uncles all did the roof repairs on our houses. So maybe there’s that !
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:01 pm to el Gaucho
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workman’s comp
It's the biggest scheme. Thing about your typical home builder. He carries workers comp and general liability, all the people under him must carry it also. So on one house, you may have four or five different layers of insurance all for the same job. It doesn't make any sense.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:02 pm to deathvalleyfreak43
Woops! Blue tarps in our future.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:04 pm to billjamin
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You really think they're accurately reporting their wages? I believe they report enough to keep the IRS off their arse and do as much as possible under the table.
Why wouldn't they? Labor is an expense for the company. If they under report wages, then the company shows more profit and pays more taxes. I don't pay anyone a check unless they have filled out a W9. If they give me a wrong social or tax ID number, they IRS send me a letter to notify me.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:07 pm to F1y0n7h3W4LL
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Woops! Blue tarps in our future
Or you know...a little house party amongst your friends and neighbors. Food and beer have convinced a lot of people to help pitch in to get the job done.
If you rely on illegals for your existence, you are a problem.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:13 pm to billjamin
Shits going to get real when hurricane season rolls around and people see what a roof costs.
I just got a new roof via the usual fight w insurance over weather it was necessary…. 35K check approved. 2500 sq ft house. Materials $13K . 6 dudes making $18 an hour did it in 1 1/2 days. And yes it will go up, but the labor won’t be the reason.
I just got a new roof via the usual fight w insurance over weather it was necessary…. 35K check approved. 2500 sq ft house. Materials $13K . 6 dudes making $18 an hour did it in 1 1/2 days. And yes it will go up, but the labor won’t be the reason.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:19 pm to G I Jeaux
quote:Exactly. They didn't pass the savings on to the customer. But now they have gotten used to the profit margin they will jack prices up. They should be arrested.
Naw, the contractors did not lower the prices because of the illegals. They just made more profit. Same with the rest in construction
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:37 pm to AirbusDawg
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he myth that they are paid less than the average construction worker is false, at least in my trade.
It's a myth for almost every trade. It's just people that have no idea about the industry and what the going rate is that say that. Nobody wants to admit that white or black people don't want to do the hard work anymore. There's a reason even plumbers, electricians, and HVAC contractors are having a hard time finding employees, it's not because of pay, it's because of the lack of people willing to do the jobs. The younger the generation, the less willing they are to do hard work. It is what it is.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:43 pm to gumbo2176
Made a post yesterday about heading to Vets since I had to go to Lowes and would check to see how many Hispanic day laborers were hanging out in the parking lot.
Well, I only saw two of them and from the looks of it, their heads were on a swivel as I drove past. That is a far cry from the dozen or more I typically see when I shop there.
Well, I only saw two of them and from the looks of it, their heads were on a swivel as I drove past. That is a far cry from the dozen or more I typically see when I shop there.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 1:46 pm to gumbo2176
Looks like the construction companies have been lucky so far, they’re starting to charge the employees criminally:
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Posted on 2/21/25 at 1:49 pm to AirbusDawg
quote:The GOP is somewhat snakebit on this issue because of the deal they made on immigration back in the 1980s, which many saw as a type of pardon for those who had already jumped the border.
I think Trump is gonna have to start allowing more work permits and green cards to some that can prove they are helping the American economy and paying their taxes.
quote:I imagine that the wait is only going to get longer with RIF initiatives. Some of that might be offset by deportations that cancel the applications, but I have a hunch it won't be enough to offset the losses in all the other areas that have to play a role in the process: state department checking criminal background in home country, identification run through NSA clearing house, FBI checks on the applicant and known associates, etc., unless they've suddenly found some way to make that entire process more efficient, which I highly doubt. Hell, they already take close to a year to approve a tax stamp on an NFA item and that was for folks who had an active trust already.
It's definitely the right thing to deport these people that are here illegally, but on the flip side, it shouldn't take ten years to apply and get the proper paperwork to come and work in this country.
quote:Didn't they find a bunch of illegals working as house and grounds keepers at some club in New Jersey back when he ran in 2016? It's not like he hired them himself, of course.
I guarantee Trump has illegals working for him with all the businesses that he is part of.
They guys I've talked to in construction said that everyone they hire provides them with the same documentation we have to give for first-time hire: a social security card, driver's license, and completed I-9 form. If that passes the E-Verify system, they are good to go. I have a suspicion that the US government isn't too worried about someone paying FICA twice for the same number since the illegal one won't be collecting and it's free money, though I'll admit to that being supposition on my part.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 2:42 pm to AirbusDawg
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They all make an average of $30 an hour when you figure it all up.
What makes it devastating to the economy is that the biggest chunk of that is going out of the country
Therefore, it isnt helping to fund you local stores and businesses. Which means a HUGE multiplier in the economy is gone forever. There is no level of wage that can ever correct that. Simply hire Americans, and your local economy will improve
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