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re: Construction community in a panic- I’m hearing ICE is Havoc

Posted on 2/21/25 at 10:15 am to
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
69737 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 10:15 am to
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That's only the cost that we can directly calculate. There are hidden costs and burdens too. Like for example how many of them drive around with no insurance thus raising premiums on the insured.


yep. there are a ton of indirect financial and social impacts of importing 20 million+ illegals.

And again, this only snowballs if we don’t get a hold of it. What world are we leaving our children if we just throw our hands up and do nothing because we’re feigning concern about the increased prices of blueberries and sheetrock installs.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
15087 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 10:18 am to
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Are you for or against enforcing the immigration laws and locking down the border?

For.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
282136 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 10:21 am to
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yep. there are a ton of indirect financial and social impacts of importing 20 million+ illegals.


Dependence on illegals is more of the problem, and its due to Fed fiscal policy more than anything. Just wait until they arent available, you'll see wage shocks.

The recent refugee issue is far more dangerous than illegal immigration.

Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
38290 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 10:22 am to
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I feel zero compassion for that guy.



i get it but he has been in business for 30 years. A lot of them have been with him for years if not decades. He buries his head on who is illegal or not, technically has no idea but he isn't stupid



I guess I was being a little harsh because he would have gone out of business if he had done anything else. But he will bein the same position as everyone else so that is all I am saying.

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i don't really blame him for operating the way he does. He needs people that show up every day. It is not about the money, he makes plenty.



That I get as well. Whatever else you want to say about a lot ofthe immigrants, legal and illegal, most of them are hard workers, if not always highly skilled.

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Anyone that's been on a job in the south knows there are significant portion of the labor pool that can't pass a piss test, won't show up daily and have bitch arse attitude.


Yep

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Mexicans might be hungover as frick but they'll be there.



And generally work their butts off, too.
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The other issue is that if you are low skill but willing to work, you'll make a lot more with a CDL than you will banging out a roof in 100 degrees.



Yep. Roofers and sandblasters are typically not the job choince of the reasonably intelligent with no criminal record or substance abuse problem
Posted by BDPops85
Member since Mar 2020
28 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 10:46 am to
Third party adjusters are paid on a fee schedule so they want to toss O&P on a fence. That said if the carrier approved it sounds like a good deal for you.

Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
25545 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 10:48 am to
List of apprehension in the shipyard industry as well since many yards along the gulf coast are 70+% Hispanic and I’m sure quite a large percentage of those are here illegally working off of phony papers
Posted by Old Character
Member since Jan 2018
1330 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 10:52 am to
My cousins a brick layer and he retired and went to the pipeline a couple years ago. Couldn’t compete with the “Mexicans”. frickin contractors running bank by employing illegals……well…….
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
282136 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 10:54 am to
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My cousins a brick layer and he retired and went to the pipeline a couple years ago. Couldn’t compete with the “Mexicans”. frickin contractors running bank by employing illegals……well…….



Which shows that US labor for citizens is probably too high of a cost. We can blame govt fiscal policy for that.



Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
32766 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:08 am to
A large construction site next to one of my job sites got a “visit”. Site probably had 30-40 amigos working.

3 bolted they were caught quickly.


Those three were not legal apparently.


One other amigo was detained for about 30 mins till a woman showed up w his documents.
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
9849 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:13 am to
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20-25 years ago construction sites were filled with whites and blacks in the south at least. you would never see a hispanic worker and people made very good money. maybe its time to get people back to work.




Yep. Low IQ labor put them out of business. Its also no wonder why the quality of homes has gone to shite as well. Those white and black people cared about what they were doing and stood behind it. The hispanic workers just want to throw your house up ASAP so they can get to the next one. They don't even speak english and probably couldn't tell you what 5x3 equals.
Posted by Wishnitwas1998
where TN, MS, and AL meet
Member since Oct 2010
61680 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:17 am to
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This is the most moronic thought process ever..immigrants don't contribute to the debt, they. Are a net positive to our economy


To be clear I'm not saying illegal immigrants are responsible for our debt I'm saying the self centered thought process on display regarding them is the same thought process that causes our debt when it comes to spending "everyone else needs to be cut or pay extra but not me, that's where I draw the line"

I will not agree that illegals are a net positive for our economy (though economics isn't the only area illegals effect). They cause demand to be higher which makes housing harder to come by for citizens and people here legally while also costing legals and citizens jobs

Just for fun I'll present another present contradiction in American culture which is we want American workers to make more money and have more job opportunities but revolt at the idea of anything costing us anymore than it already does. How are workers going to get paid more without and increase in prices? Short of somehow convincing large corporations to reduce their profit margins and executive pay I don't see how it ever happens
Posted by HarryBalzack
Member since Oct 2012
16000 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:18 am to
I don't know. I've had several contractors tell me they're paying the Latinos exactly what they pay the native-born. The difference is that the Latinos show up for work, don't do drugs on the job site, and don't ask for more money every time they see them.

Immigrant labor, however, is keeping labor compensation rates suppressed, no doubt. That's probably why there's been little interest in doing something about it - the Tysons and such are profiting off of it.
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
ATL
Member since Nov 2014
8816 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:18 am to
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Eventually materials will get cheaper if construction demand goes down.


If construction demand goes down, we're in a serious recession considering the lack of housing we have in this country right now.

I was all for getting rid of illegals with criminal records...in fact, we were told that's where things would start. Instead, it seems ICE is indiscriminately going after schools, businesses, and churches....not exactly where you find the criminal elements. I don't know, maybe start with jails, prisons, and known gang areas?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
282136 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:19 am to
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The difference is that the Latinos show up for work, don't do drugs on the job site, and don't ask for more money every time they see them.


Lot of truth to this.

The labor pool of native born Americans has been tainted by entitlement and drug use.

Its almost impossible to hire and keep staff at any price, as soon as they get paychecks its off to the trap house.

Posted by mmmmmbeeer
ATL
Member since Nov 2014
8816 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:23 am to
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Those white and black people cared about what they were doing and stood behind it. The hispanic workers just want to throw your house up ASAP so they can get to the next one. They don't even speak english and probably couldn't tell you what 5x3 equals.




This is about builders cutting corners, not the quality of work. You have these massive builders now, some operating nationwide. This isn't like the old days when you may have several small-time builders in any particular area.
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
71566 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:26 am to
are the one panicking basically admitting they are breaking the law?
Posted by dagrippa
Saigon
Member since Nov 2004
11822 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:29 am to
I'm sure roofing companies are short staffed now.
Posted by Mor Miles
Member since Apr 2017
471 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:34 am to
Can you name these companies? Their owners and who is in charge of their hiring? Inquiring minds want to know.
Posted by hob
Member since Dec 2017
2285 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:35 am to
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I've had several contractors tell me they're paying the Latinos exactly what they pay the native-born


In my area the lawn crews with Latino workers charge the same as crews with natives.

Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
56897 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:52 am to
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I was all for getting rid of illegals with criminal records...in fact, we were told that's where things would start. Instead, it seems ICE is indiscriminately going after schools, businesses, and churches....not exactly where you find the criminal elements. I don't know, maybe start with jails, prisons, and known gang areas?

Bro they’re literally called illegals


They’re all criminally trespassing in our country
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