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re: Company CEO’s getting increasing pay.

Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:05 am to
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:05 am to
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Training is a big problem too.


Training and pensions are things of the past.
Posted by OGM
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2020
468 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:33 am to
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CEO's are rarely held accountable for their actual performance.
Like choosing to turn a blind eye to manipulated financials for the past several years because it makes them, and the stock prices, look good.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
76373 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:42 am to
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less concerned with long term growth potential.


The sad reality is I know I have to job hop every 3 to 5 years to keep my wages going up.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
137983 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:52 am to
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The sad reality is I know I have to job hop every 3 to 5 years to keep my wages going up.

It's wild to watch people defend these predatory corporations. Like the CEO of Bank of America gives 2 fricks about his employees and wants to make sure everyone in his company is doing well. These people would happily throw a family of 6 on the street of it helps their stock prices go up a fraction of a point.
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 6/5/24 at 10:08 am to
None are illegal immigrants, because they are not counted in these estimates. Also, they are not self employed. Self employed people are working by definition.
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
56558 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 10:21 am to
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The sad reality is I know I have to job hop every 3 to 5 years to keep my wages going up.


But you really don't. That's certainly one route should you want to take it but it's not the only route. It's just the only route some people know.
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
56558 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 10:27 am to
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People want to be recognized for their work.


They want more than that. Recognition without compensation is just a breeding ground for either malcontent or even worse, indifference.

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corporate cultures


Most of them aggregately suck, I agree. But even within shitty corporate structures you can find departments and department heads who promote and cultivate a better culture than the company as a whole.

As an employee, I want to outperform the person next to me
As a leader, I want to lead a team that outperforms the team next to me

It's not just about the final production. It's about the things I believe create higher production quality.... retention, growth, development, transparency, authenticity, personal well-being and a process based approach to work so we can live not live so we can work.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
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Posted on 6/5/24 at 10:40 am to
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They want more than that. Recognition without compensation is just a breeding ground for either malcontent or even worse, indifference.

I agree. Part of the recognition I refereed to also includes compensation. A pat on the back isn't enough.
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Most of them aggregately suck, I agree. But even within shitty corporate structures you can find departments and department heads who promote and cultivate a better culture than the company as a whole.

As an employee, I want to outperform the person next to me
As a leader, I want to lead a team that outperforms the team next to me

It's not just about the final production. It's about the things I believe create higher production quality.... retention, growth, development, transparency, authenticity, personal well-being and a process based approach to work so we can live not live so we can work.

Agree there as well
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
76373 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:14 am to
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But you really don't. That's certainly one route should you want to take it but it's not the only route. It's just the only route some people know.


Can you please provide alternatives? Obviously getting promoted leads to increases, but good luck negotiating salary increases with promotions nowadays. Hiring budgets dwarf retention budgets.

As we see time and time again, if companies need to cut costs, first things that go are employees, so loyalty isn't really expected on either side at this point.

Last edit, but as companies go more and more remote, people get less and less loyalty as one set of corporate screenshots or initials on a screen become just as good as another one. Luckily my company flies me to the home office two to three times a year and I work in person with my boss and employees.
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 11:21 am
Posted by LSU1SLU
Member since Mar 2013
7863 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:14 am to
But all you republicans keep voting for big business acting like yall arent

Im not a dem
Posted by SantaFe
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
7577 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:19 am to
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How would you suggest we change this?


Profit sharing ?
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
56558 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:27 am to
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But all you republicans keep voting for big business acting like yall arent

Im not a dem


The hypocrisy is amazing and I am not a dem either but the only thing that pisses off a MAGA supporter than a Lib is being called out for really being a closet lib themselves.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
135139 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:30 am to
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pensions are things of the past.



Govt still giving out lavish pensions at every level
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62463 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:31 am to
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I know it’s a free enterprise, but this just doesn’t sit right with me.
Mind your own business.
Posted by Czechessential
Member since Apr 2024
1437 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:33 am to
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But all you republicans keep voting for big business acting like yall arent


you think Dem’s strings aren’t pulled by big bidness, baw?
Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
137983 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:36 am to
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you think Dem’s strings aren’t pulled by big bidness, baw?

You can very easily argue that since 2016, they're the party of big business. Especially since covid.
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
56558 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:37 am to
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Can you please provide alternatives?


Alternatives to job hopping?

First, the biggest shift in thought is that those opportunities normally come with a smaller starting salary but offer more in incentive packages (PTO, 410K, insurance, HSA's, etc).

During the interview process the interviewee should ask (or know) how many positions would be between them and the interviewer then how many positions between the interviewer and the department head (what are those positions, how many of them are there available, how long have the currently employees been in that role. Then, do the same for all roles between the department head and senior level executive positions.

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As we see time and time again, if companies need to cut costs, first things that go are employees, so loyalty isn't really expected on either side at this point.


This is true but it's not normally lower level employees. It's usually middle management positions in departments that are being shrunk so the key is to find a spot and create your own value.

If we have to cut $200k a year in our department and I can do that by cutting four lower level employees or two with more tenure, the decision comes down to who brings more value. With a culture of growth and development and investing in our own human capital we are always looking to put people in the best positions either within our organization or outside of it so if two people have the same work ethic, the same output and are quite similar but one makes twice as much as the other, one is more at risk.

They key is to continually grow, develop and outperform those around you but working to bring everyone up around you at the same time. It's not just working harder, it's working smarter, more collaboratively, seeking continued development, etc.

A level 2 guy/gal making 60K with two years experience striving to be a level 4 can be more valuable than a level 4 making $90k indifferent about growth and development.

Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62463 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:38 am to
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Now do companies that have gotten public money and turned around and paid huge bonuses with it.
Your beef is with government , not CEOs.
Posted by CrystalPreserves
Member since May 2019
3954 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:41 am to
As the owner of a company of 22 employees. i have no issue with this. I’m in business to make money. I give my employees their 1-3% increase annually based on their review. If they want more than that, they can leave.

I’m going to eat and enjoy my time and money. If their output increases and my business does better year over year, I hire more employees at market rate and expand my business.
*blows my cigar smoke rings in liberal faces*
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
137983 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:42 am to
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Your beef is with government , not CEOs.

I mean, if the government gives companies money to keep their company going tits up and the CEO takes a massive cut of that a puts it in his pocket rather that using it to shore up the company, I'd say the beef lies on the CEO. It's not a difficult concept.
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