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re: Colorized version of famous photograph showing Robert E. Lee one week after surrendering
Posted on 6/26/22 at 10:39 am to lsucoonass
Posted on 6/26/22 at 10:39 am to lsucoonass
The Spartans and it was thousands at Thermopolyle not 300. Were fighting for their territory from outside foreign invaders. In fact Thermopolyle is on another peninsula of Greece and the Spartans were trying to help save other city states by going into a city state that was allied with Persia to block a further Persian advance into Greece.
How this in any way relates to Lee I don't get.
This would be more akin to people in Sparta celebrating the King of Thessaly instead of Leonidas.
(Non internet source. Atlas of European History. HarperCollins. 1994)
How this in any way relates to Lee I don't get.
This would be more akin to people in Sparta celebrating the King of Thessaly instead of Leonidas.
(Non internet source. Atlas of European History. HarperCollins. 1994)
This post was edited on 6/26/22 at 10:45 am
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Posted on 6/26/22 at 10:40 am to lsucoonass
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Yet we knighted for the Spartans despite losing to the massive Persian army
except the Spartans/Greeks won the war...they just lost that battle (tho 300 men inflicted over 10k casualties)
A better example for comparison would be the Alamo where 200 men killed over 1000 before being slaughtered but Texas went on to win the war with that as its rallying cry.
This post was edited on 6/26/22 at 10:42 am
Posted on 6/26/22 at 10:40 am to Broski
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It's funny how most of the people in this thread that are celebrating Lee and the confederacy are the same ones who lose their minds when someone doesn't stand for the national anthem.
Lee was on the wrong side of history. I’ll agree. Doesn’t make him the bad guy people make him out to be. Many Northern General’s were far more self-serving and incompetent. It’s a fascinating history on both sides. Try not being so uptight about it.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 10:41 am to Realityintheface
I would love to know the point you think I proved.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 10:45 am to longtooth
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Lee was on the wrong side of history. I’ll agree. Doesn’t make him the bad guy people make him out to be. Many Northern General’s were far more self-serving and incompetent. It’s a fascinating history on both sides. Try not being so uptight about it.
This is a much more reasonable viewpoint. Too many people like to resort to sound bites and virtue signaling for things like this which is a form of laziness
Posted on 6/26/22 at 10:45 am to geauxtigers87
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too bad he broke his oath to be loyal to the united states
Was there an oath at the time?
I know I took an oath:
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The Oath of Enlistment (for enlisted): "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
My question is, if he took an oath, what did it entail. Not a flame...genuinely curious.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 10:46 am to Napoleon
Lincoln went to war with the South to re-establish the Union. I don’t recall any references to ending slavery. Thus his hesitation to end it in the North via the Emancipation Proclamation order. He wanted to keep those states from also succeeding.
So, to your moronic point.
So, to your moronic point.
This post was edited on 6/26/22 at 10:47 am
Posted on 6/26/22 at 10:47 am to longtooth
Why did the south leave?
Why did they secede.
I mean continue making MY point. Lol
Let's say it for the slow kids who struggled through history class
The SOUTH left the union over slavery.
"The union must and shall be preserved" was a rally cry of the Republicans.
Did the war start with Ft Sumnter or when South Carolina decided to leave the union?
Why did they secede.
I mean continue making MY point. Lol
Let's say it for the slow kids who struggled through history class
The SOUTH left the union over slavery.
"The union must and shall be preserved" was a rally cry of the Republicans.
Did the war start with Ft Sumnter or when South Carolina decided to leave the union?
This post was edited on 6/26/22 at 10:50 am
Posted on 6/26/22 at 10:55 am to Napoleon
It was more about politics than slavery. Industrialization versus an Agrarian, outmoded economic worldview. So it may indeed have been about slavery for the south, but it was reunification for Lincoln. At the outset of the war he would have been ok with a negotiated peace that saw the reunion of the Nation, but kept slavery in the South.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 10:57 am to Napoleon
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Why did the south leave?
Why did they secede.
Reference in history, secession was likened to the original 13 colonies that seceded from British rule, because of taxation without representation. The states seceded because the federal government was usurping the states rights enumerated in the constitution. The federal government did not want to lose that territory.
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The SOUTH left the union over slavery.
Not one will change your mind.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 11:02 am to BestBanker
I believe Lincoln was not even on the ballot in many souther states yet was still elected President. Perhaps the south saw dwindling to little political power in this new industrialized America.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 11:08 am to longtooth
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Lee was on the wrong side of history. I’ll agree. Doesn’t make him the bad guy people make him out to be.
That's fair. I'm curious how the German people feel about Rommel today.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 11:09 am to Napoleon
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I think even with no war. Slavery would have ended by 1885.
It was falling out of favor fast and advancement in steam technology started to allow less people to work larger fields.
I was convinced of this by a favorite history professor of mine years ago, and I haven't wavered from it since. That was the direction the country, including the South, was going.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 11:10 am to RollTide1987
Remarkably clear photo for it's age
Posted on 6/26/22 at 11:11 am to saintsfan92612
Laugh all you want. Every week or two all I see is a thread about "Ulysses grant is greater than God!" and anyone who disagrees just kinda shrugs and disagrees while the carpetbaggers circle jerk worse than the damn SECrant fan boys.
It's the cities that are racist. It's the left crying division that are dividing us. The more time goes on, the more truth seems to be inverted from the narrative.
It's the cities that are racist. It's the left crying division that are dividing us. The more time goes on, the more truth seems to be inverted from the narrative.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 11:11 am to BestBanker
The south didn't leave over slavery. It was states rights. Chiefly the right to have slaves.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 11:16 am to LegendInMyMind
The book I linked earlier. Was a crazy Sci fi about some Afrikaaner scientist having access to time travel so they feel the best way to create an apartheid state was to go back in time and arm the confederacy. Equipped with AK47s the south quickly beat the north..(though towards the end the north had already copied and learned to produce their own AKs.)
Anyway. After southern victory. Now President Lee. Frees the slaves pissing off the Afikaners. (Lee's life was extended with acres to nitroglycerin tablets for his heart)
Interesting read.
Though the 12 book Southern victory series was better.
Anyway. After southern victory. Now President Lee. Frees the slaves pissing off the Afikaners. (Lee's life was extended with acres to nitroglycerin tablets for his heart)
Interesting read.
Though the 12 book Southern victory series was better.
This post was edited on 6/26/22 at 11:17 am
Posted on 6/26/22 at 11:20 am to LegendInMyMind
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I was convinced of this by a favorite history professor of mine years ago, and I haven't wavered from it since. That was the direction the country, including the South, was going.
Then why did the south have immediate plans to attempt conquer Latin America to expand slavery as soon as the war was won against the north?
Posted on 6/26/22 at 11:21 am to RollTide1987
Because we are all better off with the federal government in charge. Now we are all slaves.
Idiots.
Idiots.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 11:22 am to Palmetto98
Not latin America. Just Chiuahua and Sonora so that they would have a pacific port.
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