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re: Colorado School Districts going to 4 days a week
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:11 pm to TH03
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:11 pm to TH03
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By all means, let’s follow the lead of a parish in the worst state in the union for education
I can assure you that the number of school days per week has nothing to do with that. I understand your point,fwiw, with the number of districts already doing it successfully, it seems to be a bigger perceived problem than actual problem.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:13 pm to High C
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Students in Finland start formal schooling at the age of seven. Yes, seven! Finland allows their children to be children, to learn through playing and exploring rather than sitting still locked up in a classroom. But don’t they get behind? No! The kids start school when they are actually developmentally ready to learn and focus. This first year is followed by only nine years of compulsory school. Everything after ninth grade is optional and at the age of 16 the students can choose from the following three tracks:
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Students typically start school between 9:00 and 9:45. Actually, Helsinki is thinking of creating a law stating that schools cannot begin before 9:00 am because research has consistently proved that adolescents need quality sleep in the morning. The school day usually ends by 2:00 or 2:45.
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Teachers have shorter days as well. According to the OECD (Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development) an average Finnish teacher teaches 600 hours annually or about 4 or less lessons daily. An average U.S. teacher almost doubles that teaching time with an average of over 1,080 hours of in-class instruction annually
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Also, teachers and students in Finland are not expected to be at school when they do not have a class. For example, if they don’t have any afternoon classes on Thursdays, they (both teachers and students) can simply leave. Or if their first class on a Wednesday starts at 11:00, they don’t have to be at school until that time.
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Fewer Teachers = More Consistency and Care
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As I stated before, students only have three to four (or rarely, five) classes a day. They also have several breaks/recesses/ snack times during the day and these usually happen outside come rain or shine. These 15 to 20 minute gives them time to digest what they are learning, use their muscles, stretch their legs, get some fresh air and let out the “wiggles.”
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Less Testing = More Learning
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According to the OECD, Finnish students have the least amount of homework in the world.
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Trust is key to this whole system not structure. Instead of being suspicious of one another and creating tons of structure, rules, hoops and tests to see if the system is working, they simply trust the system.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Correct. Cutting school hours should have no influence on education if you're a decent parent
They're not cutting school hours. It all still adds up to 1080 hours for the year.
Currently, 180 days at 6 hours
4 day week, 144 days at 7.5 hours
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:17 pm to Tiger_n_Texas
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All teaching contracts I have seen are set by the number of days.
Yes, but the days really account for hours. Just like the students
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:17 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Cue the "teachers don't work enough" thread.
No, i cue the ,"Shocking, they don't do much work as it is, while in class".
Teachers in this country are bad, and professors are really bad.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:18 pm to Hester Carries
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So you just outed yourself as a socialist. Cause you view schools as simply state-sponsored daycare.
Thats quite the stretch of assumption
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Finland which is often used as a model for education srptresses more play time outdoors, less academic time and little to no homework.
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Finland is a relatively ethnically homogeneous country. The dominant ethnicity is the Finnish people but there are also notable historic minorities of Swedes, Sami and Roma peopl
little bit easier to educate people when they are all of the same race and culture.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:21 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:State Mandates so many "Instructional minutes" per school yr. It's not new, it's been done in
Adding 40 minutes a day doesn't make up for cutting a day, even removing the time on the 5th day spent on lunch, changing classes, beginning and end of day, recess, etc. So I'm curious how they will get the same amount of work done.
Louisiana.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:24 pm to tigerinthebueche
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little bit easier to educate people when they are all of the same race and culture.
Our extra education and money don't do any good
We need to accept education isn't important for everyone and focus on those for whom it is
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:24 pm to LSUFanHouston
Longer days actually better accommodate working parents. Many parents get off at 5 so keeping their kids at school longer prevents them having to "see" about them, depending on how the days are structured.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:24 pm to LSUFanHouston
I'd rather see cutting the school year short.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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at the age of 16 the students can choose from the following three tracks:
America: "Don't you dare pigeonhole my child and rob him of an equal opportunity at success."
That approach has clearly failed.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:26 pm to LSUFanHouston
This has been happening since the 90s, especially in rural school districts. A lot of the students only went in for a couple days a week given the total number of students per district.
Denver is a totally different story though.
Denver is a totally different story though.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:26 pm to tigerinthebueche
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little bit easier to educate people when they are all of the same race and culture.
Most of Europe has a strong understanding that higher education is not meant for everyone. Even the students.
If you read the article about Finland it goes on to say, that about 60% of students, at age 16, decide to enter a vocational school to learn a trade and enter the workforce.
Germany and other countries use this model as well. America should do the same.
If you're dumb at 16, chances are you're not going to wake up one morning and be Albert Einstein.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:26 pm to High C
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America: "Don't you dare pigeonhole my child and rob him of an equal opportunity at success."
That approach has clearly failed.
America has become obsessed with outcome and not opportunity. We need to face the hard facts that notvevery child will be a rocket surgeon.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:30 pm to ThatMakesSense
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If you read the article about Finland it goes on to say, that about 60% of students, at age 16, decide to enter a vocational school to learn a trade and enter the workforce.
As it should be, imo.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:31 pm to ThatMakesSense
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Most of Europe has a strong understanding that higher education is not meant for everyone. Even the students.
If you read the article about Finland it goes on to say, that about 60% of students, at age 16, decide to enter a vocational school to learn a trade and enter the workforce.
Germany and other countries use this model as well. America should do the same.
If you're dumb at 16, chances are you're not going to wake up one morning and be Albert Einstein.
Good lord I can't even comprehend the outrage from the helicopter parents in this country if we tried something like this here.
Which is unfortunate for the students.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:32 pm to 50_Tiger
quote:is this the new math all the kids talk about?
!=
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:34 pm to Centinel
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Good lord I can't even comprehend the outrage from the helicopter parents in this country if we tried something like this here.
The strongest opposition to these European education models yells classism.
Which already exists in American schooling, so it wouldn't be a new argument.
It's a no lose situation.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:34 pm to Rouge
No, that's the half-Asian wink.
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