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re: College loans are a scam

Posted on 8/25/17 at 11:58 am to
Posted by DirtyMike
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Aug 2014
1175 posts
Posted on 8/25/17 at 11:58 am to
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You knew what you were getting into


I would say a lot of kids don't know what they're getting into. I sure didn't. With that being said, I have a job and pay my loans every month.
Posted by TheOcean
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Member since Aug 2004
46722 posts
Posted on 8/25/17 at 12:06 pm to
Many states minors can easily get out of contracts. But hell, when you hit big ole 18 you can sign your life away. Very few 18 year olds actually understand what they're signing when it comes to student loans
Posted by chauncey1
Member since May 2010
299 posts
Posted on 8/25/17 at 12:07 pm to
A financial institution should be able to base its rates on the degree being pursued and the university. I'd bet general studies has a higher default than others...
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
86415 posts
Posted on 8/25/17 at 12:08 pm to
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If you're going in order to party for five years and get a 2.75 GPA (if you graduate at all) with a degree in General Studies then you're doing it wrong.


4.5 years
2.84 GPA
Interdisciplinary Studies with concentrations in Business, History, and Political Science

And the State of Louisiana now literally allows me to charge people money for my advice and to advocate for their interests. Only in America

Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 8/25/17 at 12:09 pm to
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Interdisciplinary Studies


Is this a fancy way of saying general studies?
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
86415 posts
Posted on 8/25/17 at 12:12 pm to
pretty much. I actually got the hours in each subject to get a minor in each and LSU had a degree that allowed me to get a BA based on that.
Posted by 12Pence
Member since Jan 2013
6344 posts
Posted on 8/25/17 at 12:19 pm to
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College tuition prices are a scam
Posted by TigerTroll11
Asheville
Member since Sep 2012
459 posts
Posted on 8/25/17 at 12:22 pm to
30-40% of the 1.3 trillion is from after the feds took back over. I love how the video tries to frame the banks as always the bad guys.... well then what the heck are the feds now?! A lot worse in reality
Posted by oauron
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2011
14611 posts
Posted on 8/25/17 at 12:37 pm to
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in state tuition at LSU is roughly 11k a year, so a degree is roughly $44k.

So what about the the cost of living that also gets taken out in student loans. Surely you don't think people are only taking out tuition in their loans.
Posted by Sisyphus
Member since Feb 2014
2011 posts
Posted on 8/25/17 at 12:41 pm to
The real problem is easy credit and people keeping up with the Joneses.

The average household in Louisiana makes $63,904 before taxes, $49k and change after.

Two $28k(average new car price) cars will be a little over $1k/month. ($12k/yr)

Average home price in Louisiana is $145,200. ($8,244/yr in payments)

You are already down to $28,756 without paying for utilities, food, insurance, gas, cell phone, student loans, clothes, etc.

People need to stop being stupid with money.
Posted by 12Pence
Member since Jan 2013
6344 posts
Posted on 8/25/17 at 12:42 pm to
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in state tuition at LSU is roughly 11k a year


Look at it for 2003-2004 LINK


Full-Time Tuition & Fees
2003-2004

Undergraduate
Resident Non-Resident
Fall 2003 $1,952 $4,602
Spring 2004 $1,958 $4,608
Total $3,910 $9,210

In 14 years, tuition has nearly tripled. That's not even addressing the other, more obvious factors of increasing prices: student housing, utilities, textbooks and supplies, transportation, food, etc...
This post was edited on 8/25/17 at 12:55 pm
Posted by schwartzy
New Orleans
Member since May 2014
10083 posts
Posted on 8/25/17 at 12:44 pm to
They are very risky. The issue is you have people borrowing to study fricking gender studies. Debt to become a doctor is often inevitable but a good investment if one makes it through. It's all about being smart about borrowing, and the interest rates are so high because the people borrowing have no credit history. College tuition is too high, however. It's that way because people will still pay for the education anyway.
Posted by 12Pence
Member since Jan 2013
6344 posts
Posted on 8/25/17 at 12:51 pm to
Too many people are admitted to colleges. A college degree isn't worth the value it once had. College tuition prices have seen steady increases throughout the past decade (we're talking about doubling tuition costs).

Furthermore, student loans are non-dischargeable debts in bankruptcy. Of course the DOE will lend it out. Why wouldn't they? The debtor can go through their bankruptcy and receive their discharge and voila! Navient or Sallie Mae is right there - all while interest is accruing.
This post was edited on 8/25/17 at 12:52 pm
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
8201 posts
Posted on 8/25/17 at 12:53 pm to
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in state tuition at LSU is roughly 11k a year, so a degree is roughly $44k


...except the majority of people don't live with their parents while going to LSU, so when you add in all fees, room and board, meal plans, etc., it's more like $25,000/yr. and $100,000 total.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Member since Feb 2011
57015 posts
Posted on 8/25/17 at 12:56 pm to
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So we should just ignore COL when talking about how much college really costs? You'd make a great legislator.


Do you have to pay COL if you dont go to college? No

Basically you want someone to finance a sabbatical from the real world at a cheaper than reality rate plus provide career/life skills and education, all financed into a 10 year plus loan. You sound like an actual politician....


An average HS graduate makes 30k a year, the average american makes 26k a year, the average college grad makes 50k a year. You can go work and make 26-30k a year or take a year off and get a loan for 25k. seems like a great trade off considering after 4 years the extended pay will be earned back fairly quickly. Again, people are willing to purchase material goods rather than invest in future income. The problem is with the people making those decisions, not the people offering the option of education and life. Those people are choosing to go away, live beyond their means, get high loans, because their parents dont teach them consequences..."everyone gets a trophy" You dont have to spend 25k a year on college, you choose to.
Posted by someLSUdoosh
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2016
893 posts
Posted on 8/25/17 at 12:56 pm to
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I see a problem with the people taking the loans here, not the system. the system didnt force any of these decisions


Your logic is slightly flawed here. Education leads to a better society....debt doesnt help society get better.

College should think more about trying to educate more and more people rather than enticing more and more people to go into debt.

The system should work where federal backed student loans would only be given to a certain set of majors (business, engineering, medical, etc.) not the gender studies or arts degrees that are racking up 100s of thousands of dollars in debt.

If this were the case not that many people would be defaulting given that their career path and education enables them to earn a decent living.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 8/25/17 at 12:56 pm to
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...except the majority of people don't live with their parents while going to LSU, so when you add in all fees, room and board, meal plans, etc., it's more like $25,000/yr. and $100,000 total.


I didnt realize it was the only college in the state...
Posted by DrSteveBrule
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
12548 posts
Posted on 8/25/17 at 12:58 pm to
The scam is allowing people to go to college for things like English and Gender Studies. The loan companies are just piggybacking off of the lies that the American university system puts forth. "Just get a degree". "You can be whatever you want to be".
This post was edited on 8/25/17 at 12:58 pm
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Member since Feb 2011
57015 posts
Posted on 8/25/17 at 12:59 pm to
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Your logic is slightly flawed here. Education leads to a better society....debt doesnt help society get better.

College should think more about trying to educate more and more people rather than enticing more and more people to go into debt.



Your flaw is that education is very affordable if you do it correctly, it is also an investment into future earnings. again the people choose to spend more than they should. Why is it someone else responsibility to make their own life choices?
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
38380 posts
Posted on 8/25/17 at 1:12 pm to
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The issue is you have people borrowing to study fricking gender studies.


can we move past this board's go-to simplification already? The whole system is fricked up. The idea that we have debt simply because every college kid is now going to some obscure liberal arts school to major in 'gender studies' is a lazy generalization. The entire higher education system is way too expensive across the board. The whole thing is a racket. I agree that certain career paths - law and medicine for instance- are more guaranteed to pay back what was borrowed. But falling back on this tired gender studies argument overlooks how preposterously expensive everything is. Brand new law text books can cost close to $500. That can be 3 grand in books per semester sometimes.That's absurd. Hence loans. Most grad students live off of loans as other people have said. Due to the increasingly specialized nature of our economy, many more people are getting grad degrees, in turn requiring loans. It's more than 'gender studies.'
This post was edited on 8/25/17 at 1:14 pm
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