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re: Church membership among US adults falls below 50% for the first time ever
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:38 pm to arseinclarse
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:38 pm to arseinclarse
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I’ll pray for all of you nerds during this holiest of weeks
I'm gonna eat a steak for those who won't.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:38 pm to squid_hunt
Do nations that don't have laws based on the Christian Bible have morals?
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:39 pm to Salmon
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Do you not have your own perfect compass to guide you?
Your mom and dad never had to correct you as a child? Someone had to correct them, correct?
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:39 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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I don't doubt you're a reasonably smart guy but your ability to understand nuance or comprehend even moderately complex questions is REALLY fricking lacking. It explains your politics, too. Nuance is lost...it's all black vs. white, team vs. team, positive vs. negative, binary as a motherfricker.
That's a bunch of words to admit you're wrong. But whatever.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:40 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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Not just political arms, but pure, unadulterated embrace of a man who is the absolute antithesis of Christian values.
Who, Trump?
What about the 50%+ of churches in this country that are not pro-Trump entities?
What about the huge swath of churches that are basically vehicles for the woke movement and spend their time preaching about how merit and personal responsibility are products of white supremacy? Where do they fit in?
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:45 pm to The Spleen
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Do nations that don't have laws based on the Christian Bible have morals?
Is killing your daughter because she had sex outside of marriage moral? Or, is it immoral according to society?
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:45 pm to squid_hunt
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Recognizing you're wrong doesn't create morals. It's only the admission of those morals.
if something was moral, and now it is immoral, that is shifting morality
I realize you are going to argue that it was always immoral, but without the recognition, there would be no moral shift
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It is.
cool
then we are not going to be able to carry on this conversation because you are incapable of understanding any other perspective because only your definition of moral is the truth
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:46 pm to Centinel
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That's a bunch of words to admit you're wrong.
You're both right and wrong. Churches aren't taxed so as to create a clear line between church and state. There are plenty of churches that could easily afford to pay property taxes and local sales tax so it's hard to argue they're being subsidized, but there are plenty of others that could not and are effectively being subsidized by taxpayers.
I don't have a whole lot of use for organized religion, but definitely don't think they should be taxed.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:47 pm to squid_hunt
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Your answer implies in itself that we do not.
so the laws laid out in the Bible are not a perfect compass to guide you?
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:51 pm to The Spleen
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but there are plenty of others that could not and are effectively being subsidized by taxpayers.
But they're not being subsidized. They are exempt from taxation. As are all non-profit and charitable organizations.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:55 pm to Lg
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Your mom and dad never had to correct you as a child? Someone had to correct them, correct?
Yes.
I'm really struggling to understand your point.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:58 pm to Salmon
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so the laws laid out in the Bible are not a perfect compass to guide you?
It is. But that's not something of myself. And when you say "in some form" you imply that there's no such thing as a perfect law, because it's arbitrary.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 1:00 pm to Salmon
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then we are not going to be able to carry on this conversation because you are incapable of understanding any other perspective because only your definition of moral is the truth
And you are incapable of admitting amorality, which is what you really have.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 1:00 pm to Lg
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Is killing your daughter because she had sex outside of marriage moral?
You should probably read the Bible before you start misquoting it.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 1:01 pm to kywildcatfanone
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It's sliding along the same scale as societal and morality scales.
The democrats plan to destroy family values and morality is almost complete.
You guys crack me up
People have been spewing the "people don't believe in God/the right God and our morality is slipping with it!" for literally thousands of years
Posted on 3/30/21 at 1:01 pm to squid_hunt
People simply have replaced religion with government.
The results are worse.
The results are worse.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 1:01 pm to squid_hunt
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It is. But that's not something of myself.
Sure it is. Because every single person out there still will interpret "God's law" in his own way. You will obviously believe that your imprecation is the correct way.
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And when you say "in some form" you imply that there's no such thing as a perfect law, because it's arbitrary.
Because it is.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 1:01 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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People simply have replaced religion with government. The results are worse.
Humanism: It's like religion except I get to be god.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 1:03 pm to Salmon
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Sure it is. Because every single person out there still will interpret "God's law" in his own way. You will obviously believe that your imprecation is the correct way.
Once again, application of the law is arbitrary. The acts themselves will be judged by God.
I can and do apply the laws as I see fit, but that doesn't change right and wrong according to God.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 1:05 pm to squid_hunt
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And you are incapable of admitting amorality, which is what you really have.
Because we don't have amorality. Our societies are based upon morality. Its how we define ourselves.
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