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re: Church membership among US adults falls below 50% for the first time ever
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:20 pm to LSU Coyote
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:20 pm to LSU Coyote
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This is not a bad or good thing, but ppl don't need faith to be moral and good.
Especially if you just redefine moral and good to mean "Whatever the mob says is right today."
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:23 pm to Lg
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If this were the case, there wouldn't be a need for any laws, correct?
You are only "moral and good" because of laws?
Is this your argument?
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:24 pm to squid_hunt
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Especially if you just redefine moral and good to mean "Whatever the mob says is right today."
That isn't redefining it. That is literally what it is.
Morality and good have constantly evolved throughout time.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:25 pm to Salmon
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Morality and good have constantly evolved throughout time.
Now you see the problem of low church attendance. Glad we can agree.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:26 pm to squid_hunt
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Now you see the problem of low church attendance. Glad we can agree.
I don't consider it a problem.
Morality changed even during high church attendance periods.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:27 pm to Salmon
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You are only "moral and good" because of laws?
Is this your argument?
No. My argument is that man is inherently not moral and good, therefore the need for laws to contain how bad we can actually get.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:27 pm to Salmon
Morality hasn't changed. Our recognition of morals has. The Bible lays out a standard of morals in accordance with God's will. As you deviate, you become less moral. You don't get to redefine thinks as good and bad just by voting on it.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:27 pm to Centinel
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You could have just stopped right there.
You don't know what a subsidy is, do you? That's kind of sad.
The payments I make to federal, state, and local governments in the form of taxation helps alleviate the burden of churches to pay their own taxes. This allows their costs to remain low and remain in operation. This is called a SUBSIDY.
If I'm out to dinner with a group and there's one lady that is poor, perhaps we all decide to chip in and pay her bill as part of our own. By doing this, we just subsidized her meal.
If you're going to play gotcha, and bring this shite up 17 times begging for an answer, at least make sure it's something that you've actually "got" me on, son.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:29 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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The payments I make to federal, state, and local governments in the form of taxation helps alleviate the burden of churches to pay their own taxes. This allows their costs to remain low and remain in operation. This is called a SUBSIDY.
Once again, are you only concerned with churches? Because I'm concerned with my tax money going to subsidize the alcohol and tobacco industries, but I keep being told that's none of my business.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:30 pm to Lg
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My argument is that man is inherently not moral and good, therefore the need for laws to contain how bad we can actually get.
Sounds an awful like you are saying you don't do bad things only because of laws.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:31 pm to squid_hunt
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Once again, are you only concerned with churches? Because I'm concerned with my tax money going to subsidize the alcohol and tobacco industries, but I keep being told that's none of my business.
I've got a problem with almost all corporate welfare and tax avoidance schemes.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:31 pm to Salmon
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Sounds an awful like you are saying you don't do bad things only because of laws.
Sounds to me like we have a man who would never do anything considered questionable or immoral because he has his own perfect compass to guide him.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:32 pm to squid_hunt
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Morality hasn't changed. Our recognition of morals has.
Semantics. All of sudden recognizing something as immoral or moral is shifting morality.
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The Bible lays out a standard of morals in accordance with God's will. As you deviate, you become less moral.
You speak as if this is objective truth. It isn't.
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You don't get to redefine thinks as good and bad just by voting on it.
We do it constantly, and most of the time, we don't even vote on it.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:33 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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I've got a problem with almost all corporate welfare and tax avoidance schemes.
You also have a problem with semantics. I don't see you getting worked up about that. What would your ideal tax scheme look like? A flat tax, straight percent, based on income?
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:33 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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The payments I make to federal, state, and local governments in the form of taxation helps alleviate the burden of churches to pay their own taxes. This allows their costs to remain low and remain in operation. This is called a SUBSIDY.
No it's not you fricking idiot. You aren't subsidizing shite.
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If I'm out to dinner with a group and there's one lady that is poor, perhaps we all decide to chip in and pay her bill as part of our own. By doing this, we just subsidized her meal
Churches don't have a bill you moron.
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at least make sure it's something that you've actually "got" me on, son.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:33 pm to TideSaint
Shoutout highlands. I love them
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:34 pm to Salmon
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Semantics. All of sudden recognizing something as immoral or moral is shifting morality.
Recognizing you're wrong doesn't create morals. It's only the admission of those morals.
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You speak as if this is objective truth. It isn't.
It is.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:34 pm to squid_hunt
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Sounds to me like we have a man who would never do anything considered questionable or immoral because he has his own perfect compass to guide him.
Do you not have your own perfect compass to guide you?
Don't we all in some form?
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:35 pm to Salmon
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Do you not have your own perfect compass to guide you? Don't we all in some form?
Your answer implies in itself that we do not.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:37 pm to Centinel
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No it's not you fricking idiot. You aren't subsidizing shite.
I don't doubt you're a reasonably smart guy but your ability to understand nuance or comprehend even moderately complex questions is REALLY fricking lacking. It explains your politics, too. Nuance is lost...it's all black vs. white, team vs. team, positive vs. negative, binary as a motherfricker.
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