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re: Christopher Columbus statue beheaded by vandals in Boston
Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:34 pm to Centinel
Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:34 pm to Centinel
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Well that makes tearing down the statues perfectly ok then.
Didn't say that all. But they probably should've been brought down before now.
Vikings, Asians across the Bering land bridge, etc. were all here first. I blame public education for continuing to prop up Christopher Columbus at this point when he pretty clearly wasn't first.
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Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:36 pm to Hogwarts
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He was an Italian sent by Spain. What am I missing here?
From the article:
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However, critics say his trip began the trans-Atlantic slave trade.
Using that logic, we should blame the Vikings for the African slave trade since they beat Columbus to North America by about 500 years.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:37 pm to High C
Just out of curiosity who the frick is paying for all these Columbus statues to be built in the first place?
Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:37 pm to High C
Native Americans were taking slaves long before Leif and the boys showed up.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:38 pm to High C
This, like everything else, is the fault of Boomers and their sexual revolution.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:41 pm to Centinel
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Native Americans were taking slaves long before Leif and the boys showed up.
And Old World civilizations were centuries before that. We all know none of that matters, though.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:42 pm to High C
Not defending the destruction of public property, but hasn't it been well established that Columbus was a giant a-hole? Weren't his statues and holiday done just to appease Italian-Americans?
Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:47 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Didn't say that all. But they probably should've been brought down before now.
Vikings, Asians across the Bering land bridge, etc. were all here first. I blame public education for continuing to prop up Christopher Columbus at this point when he pretty clearly wasn't first.
So who's contributed more to the game of football, the first guy to throw a forward pass or Tom Brady?
Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:48 pm to Geauxld Finger
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The history of this country is going to read like a redacted CIA briefing. black line omissions all over the place to hide indiscretions of the past (only based on the judgement of modern times)
I hate to say it, but you're right and it's a damn shame.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:50 pm to High C
I didn’t even know there was a Christopher Columbus statue in Boston.
I appreciate their homage to The Simpsons though.
I appreciate their homage to The Simpsons though.
This post was edited on 6/11/20 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:51 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:He brought in an era that saw the actual development and population of 2 continents. It's more significant because those other groups basically left, having given up on any attempt to settle here. He sailed into what most people at the time thought was oblivion, the edge of the world, certain death.
Vikings, Asians across the Bering land bridge, etc. were all here first.
And human migration from 25,000 years ago doesn't count.
But okay. I don't mind talking about MLK doing coke and beating the shite out of his wife for the rest of my life. Tell me who your heroes are. I'll deconstruct them all.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:53 pm to High C
Are we certain the protestors didn't mistakenly think the statue was of christopher cuomo?
Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:55 pm to upgrayedd
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So who's contributed more to the game of football, the first guy to throw a forward pass or Tom Brady?
Well Columbus did bring about thirty different diseases with him that helped wipe out several Native Americans. So there's that.
But it's a silly analogy. The natives that came across the land bridge were here for thousands of years before Columbus and some Native Americans still carry their DNA today.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 2:56 pm to blueboy
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And human migration from 25,000 years ago doesn't count.
Ok, blueboy.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:00 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Well Columbus did bring about thirty different diseases with him that helped wipe out several Native Americans. So there's that.
And those same Native Americans were taking slaves and practicing human sacrifice. So there's that.
The point being we can do this all day, because at the end of the day, every single nation, tribe, state, peoples, etc. has some seriously nasty shite in their past. So to continually harp on it for one group, while simultaneously ignoring another, is nothing but selective outrage for political gain.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:01 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Well Columbus did bring about thirty different diseases with him that helped wipe out several Native Americans. So there's that.
But it's a silly analogy. The natives that came across the land bridge were here for thousands of years before Columbus and some Native Americans still carry their DNA today.
In all my history lessons as a child I was never told no one was here before Columbus. His feat was a scientific breakthrough for the world that took centuries of knowledge, science, and a huge set of balls to complete. But we can't acknowledge that because he was just some a-hole who diseased some people.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:02 pm to Centinel
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And those same Native Americans were taking slaves and practicing human sacrifice. So there's that.
The point being we can do this all day, because at the end of the day, every single nation, tribe, state, peoples, etc. has some seriously nasty shite in their past. So to continually harp on it for one group, while simultaneously ignoring another, is nothing but selective outrage for political gain.
That's nice.
But that's not what my initial post was about. It was simply why are we still honoring a guy because he was "first" when he wasn't. By a long shot.
Every leader over the history of time has had flaws. Nowhere did I harp on that other than to point out Columbus was also flawed.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:04 pm to Pepe Lepew
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considered a whitey
nicePosted on 6/11/20 at 3:05 pm to High C
Put it back up, but bigger!
Posted on 6/11/20 at 3:06 pm to Cs
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Christopher Columbus
Still the first to document the discovery of the new world.
to the haters
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