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re: Chicago mayor is appealing for calm after releasing video of Adam Toledo shooting
Posted on 4/15/21 at 4:18 pm to Tigerdew
Posted on 4/15/21 at 4:18 pm to Tigerdew
quote:
You grabbed a still shot of a fricking strobe light that was flickering a bunch before that point. You can't see shite in real time. GTFO. ?
Maybe the cop couldn't see very well, but as a cop, you can't just start blasting away because you thought you maybe might have seen a gun. Even though suspect made no threatening moves, resisting arrest, etc.
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Posted on 4/15/21 at 4:18 pm to Nado Jenkins83
quote:Chicago can be a shithole with too much murder and the cop in this instance can still be held accountable for his colossal frickup here.
Thats my point. Yet police are the real problem.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 4:18 pm to Sao
quote:
Odd but ok. Why do you think the cop asked him to show his hands at all?
Why didn't he just shoot him in the back without any commands if he was going to shoot him no matter what he had or didn't have in his hands when he turned around?
Posted on 4/15/21 at 4:19 pm to Ingeniero
quote:Sure is. Right up there with treating every gun like it's loaded.
Why would an officer shoot at something he couldn't see clearly? Isn't that one of the cardinal rules of gun safety?
Posted on 4/15/21 at 4:19 pm to Oilfieldbiology
quote:
But to address the title of this thread, the people of Chicago would be supremely hypocritical to riot over this if they don’t riot over the hundreds of murders they have had this year.
I don’t understand this
Protesting policing makes sense, even if you disagree with their premises and reasoning, because citizens have a right to expect a certain standard from police officers and demand they meet it. If citizens feel that isn’t being met, protesting makes sense.
It doesn’t make them hypocritical to not protest criminals who commit murders, because how exactly would that protest work. Should they stand outside the state house and shout “make murder illegal”?
Rioting is a different story and sadly I’m sure it’ll come to that but the weird party line of “why are they upset about police killings and not murders from criminals” doesn’t make any sense.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 4:20 pm to Kodar
Of course I just really lose care for the victim when they were out doing hoodrat shite with their friends.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 4:21 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
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You can't see shite in real time so it's okay put a round through their chest just in case?
Think even a game warden would let you off giving that excuse at twilight?
Swear, sir, thought it had buttons!
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 4/15/21 at 4:23 pm to Obtuse1
quote:
Why didn't he just shoot him in the back without any commands if he was going to shoot him no matter what he had or didn't have in his hands when he turned around?
This is what I don't get. If someone with a gun is being apprehended, regardless of whether the gun is being used lawfully, unlawfully, or is simply being possessed, what's their course of action? If a police officer can claim they thought you might use the gun, as one poster is using as a defense, then the only logical outcome is that any possession of a gun when interacting with a police officer could lead to a justifiable shooting. And no normal person would argue that.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 4:23 pm to jchamil
quote:
I've had a long day, I think I was thinking it was already May
Maybe you need one of those. I do.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 4:23 pm to QJenk
quote:
Maybe the cop couldn't see very well, but as a cop, you can't just start blasting away because you thought you maybe might have seen a gun. Even though suspect made no threatening moves, resisting arrest, etc.
Correct. Cops just need to stop pursuing suspects when the odds aren't in their favor. With cameras everywhere, that's the only solution.
Its really no different then high speed pursuits, in high stress situations cops just need to let perps run and catch them another day. That's the only way this will stop.
If you can't understand why that kid turning around so quickly could cause someone to shoot you, I have 0 to say. That was a potentially deadly situation if the cops were there responding to shots fired. When the cops arrive you have to move slowly, fast movements are scary.
Cops simply have to avoid these situations.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 4:24 pm to baldona
quote:
If you can't understand why that kid turning around so quickly could cause someone to shoot you, I have 0 to say. That was a potentially deadly situation if the cops were there responding to shots fired. When the cops arrive you have to move slowly, fast movements are scary.
"Comply, but not too quickly, or you'll get shot!"
Posted on 4/15/21 at 4:24 pm to Nado Jenkins83
Causality is a real thing. It's lost on the vast majority of people, because...people are reactionary. Chances of a kid being shot at home in his bed at 2:30 AM by an amped up, poorly trained cop...slim to none. The kid didn't deserve to die, but also has to share in the blame.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 4:25 pm to Kodar
quote:
Even seeing it in real time, I didn't see anything obviously indicating a gun to me.
Further, my view is from a shitty body cam. The cop really has no excuse here. Trying to defend this is a waste of time and just makes you look like an actual boot-licker.
I'm not defending shite. I'm saying that the cop knew he was running with a gun. The shooting happens in a split second as the kid turns around and that crazy strobe light is going ape shite. I certainly understand how he could pull the trigger at that point. He has to be better, I've already said that. Just a shitty situation to have to even be in in the first place.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 4:26 pm to Nado Jenkins83
quote:
Why the frick is a 13 year old out at 230 am?
Definitely cause for killing him. Should’ve been tucked into bed like a good 13 year old.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 4:28 pm to Cajunhawk81
quote:And if it was an adult out at 2:30 am?
Causality is a real thing. It's lost on the vast majority of people, because...people are reactionary. Chances of a kid being shot at home in his bed at 2:30 AM by an amped up, poorly trained cop...slim to none. The kid didn't deserve to die, but also has to share in the blame.
Yeah, he probably wasn't being the most responsible individual out that late at 13 years old, but last I checked this was America and I don't sign a potential fricking death warrant for stepping outside past midnight. Blame on the kid my arse.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 4:28 pm to Ingeniero
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"Comply, but not too quickly, or you'll get shot!"
You do realize that cops ask people to do things slowly all the time right? For that reason?
Its not an excuse but it certainly doesn't help the situation.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 4:28 pm to Tigerdew
Kid is collateral damage.
Parents don’t let your 13 year olds hang out on the streets shooting guns at 2:30 am. Adam may have only been 13 but he put himself in the big boy game. He took on a great deal of risk and it caught up with him.
This was not “murder”.
Parents don’t let your 13 year olds hang out on the streets shooting guns at 2:30 am. Adam may have only been 13 but he put himself in the big boy game. He took on a great deal of risk and it caught up with him.
This was not “murder”.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 4:29 pm to Tigerdew
quote:
I certainly understand how he could pull the trigger at that point.
I don't.
Someone that twitchy shouldn't be on the force.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 4:29 pm to Sao
quote:My hunting club is 8 point or better and every year we have people who make that excuse.
Think even a game warden would let you off giving that excuse at twilight?
Swear, sir, thought it had buttons!
But the rule of not shooting what you can't clearly see is printed on the back of everything hunter's education card and is expressed in every conceal carry training course.
While I've never gone through police training, I'm sure it is taught there as well.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 4:30 pm to RLDSC FAN
Easy for the armchair quarterbacks here who have never gone to a shots fired call and chased someone through an alley at night.
Yeah in the end he was wrong.
Did he "murder!" The kid? No. He fricked up. But he didn't go execute a kid walking off the bus. He should be fired and spend some time in jail. The rest of the department should quit. frick that job
Yeah in the end he was wrong.
Did he "murder!" The kid? No. He fricked up. But he didn't go execute a kid walking off the bus. He should be fired and spend some time in jail. The rest of the department should quit. frick that job
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