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re: Chicago mayor is appealing for calm after releasing video of Adam Toledo shooting
Posted on 4/16/21 at 8:28 am to Tiguar
Posted on 4/16/21 at 8:28 am to Tiguar
Again. I don't disagree with any of that. I'm not arguing that the kid was completely innocent and handled it perfectly. He was fleeing a crime scene.
But in the same thought, the cop did not yell sufficient orders and did not allow enough time for the kid to comply with those orders.
But in the same thought, the cop did not yell sufficient orders and did not allow enough time for the kid to comply with those orders.
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Posted on 4/16/21 at 8:31 am to Salmon
There wasn’t enough time to yell sufficient orders. Watch the full video AUCE posted.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 8:33 am to Salmon
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anytime someone has a gun, a cop has the right to shoot them? is this your logic?
Kill fleeing criminals first, sort out details and level of innocence or guilt later. Flawless system.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 8:33 am to Salmon
It’s irrelevant dude. He could have said do a back flip or he could have said nothing. Gun in hand, quickly turning towards cop. How does this not compute?
Posted on 4/16/21 at 8:36 am to Tiguar
CBS edited out the gun. They should be liable for shite like that.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 8:36 am to Tiguar
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There wasn’t enough time to yell sufficient orders
Right. It all happened very fast. There wasn't really enough time for all the things you listed as well, which obviously is on the kid.
After watching that video though, that is the first time I realized that the kid pulled the gun out of the back of his pants, as I thought he had it in his hands the entire time. That action changes my views slightly, as the hand moving back to reach for the gun is an aggressive action.
That minor detail changes my opinion more in the favor of the cop.
Thanks for the video.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 9:09 am to Salmon
quote:He did
just think that if a cop is going to yell orders to someone, he has to at least give the kid a chance to comply with those orders.
When the kid disobeyed orders and turned with the gun it’s time to shoot
Posted on 4/16/21 at 9:14 am to lsupride87
see my above post
I still think some of y'all's arguments are dumb and/or wrong, but the fact that he reached to grab the gun changes the scenario for me.
I still think some of y'all's arguments are dumb and/or wrong, but the fact that he reached to grab the gun changes the scenario for me.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 9:14 am to lsupride87
Is there a longer video that includes more prior to the shooting? As in when the pursuit started? The cop very may well have yelled more orders?
Again though, expected orders to be crystal clear in these times is really just not realistic for them to be perfect. The kid had a game plan the whole time: run away until he can find a place to stash the gun, then give in if he can’t escape. As soon as he ran himself into a corner and had somewhere to toss the gun, he did so. But in the manner he did it, the appearance looked aggressive. I don’t think anything the officer said would have changed anything.
Again though, expected orders to be crystal clear in these times is really just not realistic for them to be perfect. The kid had a game plan the whole time: run away until he can find a place to stash the gun, then give in if he can’t escape. As soon as he ran himself into a corner and had somewhere to toss the gun, he did so. But in the manner he did it, the appearance looked aggressive. I don’t think anything the officer said would have changed anything.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 9:22 am to BowlJackson
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Kill fleeing criminals first, sort out details and level of innocence or guilt later. Flawless system.
Some of you.
Go be a cop. Chase someone down the street who is known to have a gun, have them turn on you and then just wait. If you don't die, it's all good, right? 
Posted on 4/16/21 at 10:39 am to Salmon
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After watching that video though, that is the first time I realized that the kid pulled the gun out of the back of his pants, as I thought he had it in his hands the entire time. That action changes my views slightly, as the hand moving back to reach for the gun is an aggressive action.
That minor detail changes my opinion more in the favor of the cop.
Thanks for the video.
This is why I try not to comment on any of this shite until we at least have video. Too many people in this thread reacted to a single still-frame from a video that the media decided to release. That is a millisecond in time, which is nowhere near enough information to form an educated opinion.
The PD did a good job this time releasing all the video they had in a timely fashion. That is one thing many have demanded. Still, too many can watch all that video, yet ignore what they see in favor of feelings and emotions. Quite a few in this thread have changed their opinion and stated they were wrong. A few others will never do such a thing because it goes against every fiber of their being.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 10:42 am to LegendInMyMind
Clearly had a gun and ran.
End of story.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 10:47 am to Salmon
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I mean...he would have had more seconds to determine it, but he shot him.
You mean handle it the way the NM cop handled the situation on his traffic stop.....that kinder gentler manner earned him a 5.56 hole through his brain.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 10:52 am to arseinclarse
Why do black people STILL think they can break the law and not except that something bad may happen to them??????? Out of all the cop shootings and or the deaths of black people, if the victim was just not breaking the law in the first place none of these things happen. It seems that a lot of people ONLY look at the final result instead of taking the WHOLE event into consideration.....
Posted on 4/16/21 at 10:52 am to Tiguar
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Out after midnight + With a gun + Initially ran from police + Attempted to conceal weapon behind back + Did not make it obvious he was throwing gun away + Did not verbally engage with said police + Jerked his hands up from behind his back where gun was last seen = officer utilizing deadly force
I just broke it down into an equation the bleeding heart liberals may.....just may understand!
Posted on 4/16/21 at 10:53 am to ABearsFanNMS
Have an upvote.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 10:57 am to dukke v
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Why do black people STILL think they can break the law and not except that something bad may happen to them???????
This kid wasn't black, though.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 10:57 am to dukke v
the gun has been fired.
/story
/story
Posted on 4/16/21 at 10:58 am to baldona
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the officers to stop pursuit and obtain the suspect at a later date that’s more beneficial to the officers.
Nah, it's overwhelmingly better to society to kill these thugs on the spot and be done with it.
This post was edited on 4/16/21 at 10:59 am
Posted on 4/16/21 at 10:58 am to arseinclarse
quote:
Clearly had a gun and ran.
End of story.
the gun looks like that after the entire mag has been emptied out.
just sayin'
he threw the gun down only because he had no more bullets.
This post was edited on 4/16/21 at 10:59 am
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