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re: Central Pastor church charged, accused of disobeying governor’s order
Posted on 3/31/20 at 4:42 pm to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 3/31/20 at 4:42 pm to SidewalkTiger
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So why cant people go to church if it makes them happy and they stay 6 feet apart?
Because lawful orders prohibit public gatherings above a certain attendance due to the active spread of the coronavirus, and 75 year old churchgoers don’t tend to riot
This post was edited on 3/31/20 at 4:43 pm
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Posted on 3/31/20 at 4:42 pm to BACONisMEATcandy
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Then why did all the governors who deemed gun shops non essential and shut down their background check systems decide to deem them essential after the lawsuits were filed?
It's varying state to state. Some states have shut them down, others have kept them open. The states that have shut them down are not violating the Constitution.
They are a pretty low transmission risk.
This post was edited on 3/31/20 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 3/31/20 at 4:43 pm to Indefatigable
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But he CAN shut down the church if it is based on the exact same concerns and parameters that are shutting down other businesses and gatherings.
What have you ever read or heard that would lead you to believe otherwise?
There are plenty of manufacturers that are still working with hundreds of employees all touching time clocks and such.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 4:43 pm to Indefatigable
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Apparently you lack common sense. It provides continuity of employment, for starters. It also is not an industry collecting large amounts of people in small spaces. There is no reason to specifically mandate that these places be closed.
It also allows people to purchase alcohol, the total prohibition of which would cause major problems.
Just like, you know, that time time when we enacted Prohibition and had to take it back a decade later because it caused 10000000x the problems than it solved.
There are practical, occasionally cynical decisions that have to be made in big boy world. Allowing people to go home and have some beers or a couple whiskeys when times are tough far outweighs the downside of riots.
Apparently you lack the common sense. All of the wares that these places sell are available to you in LA in c-stores or supermarkets (both essential businesses)
While a tobacco outlet or liquor store may not have a gathering of people, they will usually have a shite ton of people pass through leaving germs throughout the day
And using continuity of employment is about the weakest argument you could have used, as millions in other industries have been laid off
Posted on 3/31/20 at 4:44 pm to Indefatigable
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Because lawful orders prohibit public gatherings
Our church isn’t public it’s on private property. Does that distinction matter?
Posted on 3/31/20 at 4:44 pm to Indefatigable
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Because lawful orders prohibit public gatherings above a certain attendance due to the active spread of the coronavirus,
Yet a boat manufacturer keeps its doors open to its 300 employees.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 4:44 pm to SidewalkTiger
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There are plenty of manufacturers that are still working with hundreds of employees all touching time clocks and such.
That doesn’t answer my question at all. Are those manufacturers providing goods, services, and jobs that outweigh the risk of transmission amongst its employees
Posted on 3/31/20 at 4:44 pm to gobuxgo5
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Our church isn’t public it’s on private property. Does that distinction matter?
Nope.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 4:45 pm to Antonio Moss
Posted on 3/31/20 at 4:45 pm to Indefatigable
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Nope
Why use “public” in the description then for type of gathering?
Posted on 3/31/20 at 4:45 pm to Indefatigable
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That doesn’t answer my question at all. Are those manufacturers providing goods, services, and jobs that outweigh the risk of transmission amongst its employees
I wouldnt consider tractors or boats essential right now.
But everything is essential if you frame it right.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 4:46 pm to gobuxgo5
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Why use “public” in the description then for type of gathering?
To generally separate things that happen within ones home with ones family from those things that occur outside of the home and with others. Again, common sense.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 4:47 pm to SidewalkTiger
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wouldnt consider tractors or boats essential right now.
Irrelevant.
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But everything is essential if you frame it right.
False.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 4:47 pm to Indefatigable
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To generally separate things that happen within ones home with ones family from those things that occur outside of the home and with others. Again, common sense.
So LaToya’s ball should have been deemed public and cancelled before it was then, correct?
Posted on 3/31/20 at 4:48 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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So LaToya’s ball should have been deemed public and cancelled before it was then, correct?
I have no idea what you’re talking about. From context though I would assume the answer is yes.
I’m not from New Orleans and don’t live there. Also worth noting that my use of the word public is not intending to exactly mirror a legal reading of the term.
This is a message board after all.
This post was edited on 3/31/20 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 3/31/20 at 4:48 pm to BACONisMEATcandy
Why is a church special? Read Emoloyment Division v Smith. Scalia wrote the opinion
This post was edited on 3/31/20 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 3/31/20 at 4:48 pm to Indefatigable
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To generally separate things that happen within ones home with ones family from those things that occur outside of the home and with others. Again, common sense.
I guess my curiosity is for the police Enforcing it. If they stopped a public gathering they can easily approach and disperse. When they drive into private property and walk in a private building owned by an individual wouldn’t they need a judge to sign off the right to enter?
Posted on 3/31/20 at 4:49 pm to Indefatigable
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have no idea what you’re talking about. From context though I would assume the answer is yes.
I’m not from New Orleans and don’t live there
She deemed it a private event and didn’t cancel it until after she had cancelled all public events
Posted on 3/31/20 at 4:50 pm to Indefatigable
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Irrelevant
You asked if their goods or services outweighed the risk of transmission dude.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 4:52 pm to gobuxgo5
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When they drive into private property and walk in a private building owned by an individual wouldn’t they need a judge to sign off the right to enter?
Ordinarily yes, they need either a warrant to enter or have probably cause based on a reasonable suspicion that unlawful activity was occurring.
Under the current Emergency declarations, which necessarily lessen the threshold for law enforcement , evidence that multiple people were gathering on private property in violation of the order would likely give the cops probably cause to enter and disperse the gathering.
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