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re: CDC appears to be in full panic mode over positive results of ivermectin against Covid
Posted on 8/26/21 at 7:28 pm to RobbBobb
Posted on 8/26/21 at 7:28 pm to RobbBobb
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For the uniformed
Presume you did not mean people who wear same exact clothes but and you also did not mean to spill more irony onto this board than information...
Please no resources that are on twitter with, of all things, subtitles
AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY...
Always read the articles that you link. Could not find the word ivermectin in the article but found facts that diametrically opposed your point.
Debate 101 fail
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Posted on 8/26/21 at 7:28 pm to RobbBobb
That’s why you wait until 7 days after symptom onset to start steroids.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 7:30 pm to Cosmo
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Im skeptical because there are exactly 0 viruses that can be cured with a pill
I have no idea if Ivermctin is effective (my assumption has been no). But, your answer is very strange to me.
Why would you set the standard of being "cured"? Anything that moves the needle would be beneficial. Obviously, you know that.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 7:31 pm to RobbBobb
What's the science behind the benefits of ivermectin?
Posted on 8/26/21 at 7:31 pm to RobbBobb
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Well then, I believe you will be appropriately stunned and shocked at this NIH guideline released on Aug 4th
Actually I'm not shocked at all. I know two COVID survivors who had terrible reactions to dexamethasone. But the reasoning for using steroids is the same as the supposed effect of Ivermectin you offered.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 7:35 pm to RobbBobb
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According to the Japanese Medical chairman, countries that used ivermectin have a 2.2 per 100,000 death rate, The rest of us have a 29.4 per 100,000 death rate.
How much more detail do you need?
, the Japanese doctor specifically said those numbers don't prove Ivermectin works, but it should be good enough to support trying it. I don't really disagree, but he's not nearly as bullish on ivermectin as you.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 7:37 pm to RobbBobb
I will always think it’s funny when so many people in this country can not understand that it’s never gonna be a truthful thing and just a money thing.
So much money is tied to the vaccine that it’s the only thing they are going to push
So much money is tied to the vaccine that it’s the only thing they are going to push
Posted on 8/26/21 at 7:45 pm to Fat and Happy
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So much money is tied to the vaccine that it’s the only thing they are going to push
Follow the money! A good motto
But you have to really do it. The economic cost of Covid to many is far greater than the value of vaccines to a few. And, reactive approaches (treating symptoms) versus proactive approaches (behaviors, hygiene and vaccine (if not for you, choose behaviors and/or hygiene); the latter mitigates the economic cost. Reactions far less efficient.
Follow the money! Just follow all of it, not just some of it.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 7:45 pm to Smoke7024
India and Japan say the same thing about ivermectin.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 7:47 pm to crazy4lsu
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Any steroid medication should have the same effect, hence why drugs like dexamethasone are used.
Does dexamethasone inhibit viral replication in vitro?
Posted on 8/26/21 at 7:50 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Does dexamethasone inhibit viral replication in vitro?
No, but the post I'm responding to didn't offer that as a suggestion for a possible mode of action for Ivermectin, only the possible anti-inflammatory effects.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 7:52 pm to RobbBobb
I thought Covid wasn’t a big deal? Given the survival rate why would anyone need the horse paste?
Posted on 8/26/21 at 7:54 pm to crazy4lsu
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No, but the post I'm responding to didn't offer that as a suggestion for a possible mode of action for Ivermectin, only the possible anti-inflammatory effects.
Gotcha.
The most recent evidence from computer modeling shows that it could possibly interfere with spike protein binding to ACE receptors.
It wouldn’t take much disruption of that interaction to have an effect if early during infection
Posted on 8/26/21 at 8:01 pm to Fat and Happy
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I will always think it’s funny when so many people in this country can not understand that it’s never gonna be a truthful thing and just a money thing.
So much money is tied to the vaccine that it’s the only thing they are going to push
I think it would be more germane to look at where the money is going vs how much money is involved.
Especially if you are considering using ivermectin as prophylaxis. Over a year it would likely be more expensive than the vaccine considering the vaccines are in the neighborhood of $17 per dose.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 8:03 pm to East Coast Band
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What's the science behind the benefits of ivermectin?
No one really seems to know. 2017 paper on 'wonder drug' ivermectin
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Ivermectin: enigmatic multifaceted ‘wonder’ drug continues to surprise and exceed expectations
LINK
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Over the past decade, the global scientific community have begun to recognize the unmatched value of an extraordinary drug, ivermectin, that originates from a single microbe unearthed from soil in Japan. Work on ivermectin has seen its discoverer, Satoshi Omura, of Tokyo’s prestigious Kitasato Institute, receive the 2014 Gairdner Global Health Award and the 2015 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine
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Today, ivermectin remains a relatively unknown drug, although few, if any, other drugs can rival ivermectin for its beneficial impact on human health and welfare.
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Surprisingly, despite 40 years of unmatched global success, plus widespread intensive scientific study in both the public and private sectors, scientists are still not certain exactly how ivermectin works. No confirmed drug resistance appears to have arisen in human populations, even in those that have been taking ivermectin as a monotherapy for over 30 years.
Its is used in other countries to treat
Asthma
Epilepsy
Antiviral for HIV, dengue, encephalitis
Antibacterial for tuberculosis
Cancer - due to observed anti-tumor activity
Novel delivery systems
The theory on Covid is that it works to help the delivery of zinc to the cells, which locks out the replication ability of this novel coronavirus
Posted on 8/26/21 at 8:05 pm to RobbBobb
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visual hallucinations
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altered mental status
Cheaper than a couple hits of Molly or acid I guess. How is this supposed to deter me again?
Posted on 8/26/21 at 8:14 pm to Gifman
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Japan had Tractor Supply?
Tlactol Suppry
Posted on 8/26/21 at 8:15 pm to Cosmo
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Anecdotal but they think roughly an equal amount of ivermectin vs non ivermectin treated patients are progressing to hospitalization
so no help whatsoever.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 8:17 pm to slackster
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Japan is in hail Mary mode - they're trying everything they can.
India was way worse. Suddenly, mysteriously they have been upgraded to endemic
Posted on 8/26/21 at 8:20 pm to RobbBobb
I don't even know why we need MDs and researchers anymore. We got random guys on TD telling us all we need to know. I bet that they even took a biology class in highschool once.
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