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re: Catholics to excommunicate priests who follows Washington law about reporting child abuse
Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:52 am to icecreamsnowball
Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:52 am to icecreamsnowball
quote:
How many child abusers do you think are actually going to confession?
Zero
Pretty much all of the particulars here point to this being 100% political.
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:52 am to GreenRockTiger
quote:
just throw the constitution out the window, then
Probably have to if we're going to do anything about the great Catholic menace that confronts us
Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:57 am to GreenRockTiger
Right. No one is saying that a prosecutor satisfies his burden of proving guild beyond a reasonable doubt based on testimony of a priest regarding the confession of a crime. The argument is that on balance certain things, like the commission of a sex crime against a child, should not be privileged when told to a clergy member.
I need to see the law. Perhaps a balance would be compulsory reporting by the priest, but not compulsory testimony. That is, the State could learn about the crime from the priest, but would have to generate its own evidence to prove the person guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
I need to see the law. Perhaps a balance would be compulsory reporting by the priest, but not compulsory testimony. That is, the State could learn about the crime from the priest, but would have to generate its own evidence to prove the person guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:58 am to Ingeniero
quote:There is a strong set of conflicting interests in protecting the right of free expression of religion against the safety of innocent children from abuse - past, present and future.
Would we be ok if the government required priests turn in a list of people who cheat on their taxes?
There is no clean answer - there is a terrible price with either choice.
I do not accept human brokered forgiveness of sins, but I respect that many of our citizens do.
We need to seek a way to help both with their valid concerns.
But I honestly see no middle ground and our Constitution is clear on the point of free expression. My crystal ball (metaphorically) shows that this side will win in legal court, but will pay an awful price in the court of public opinion.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:58 am to GreenRockTiger
Governor Ferguson should be excommunicated for signing that bill.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:59 am to Pettifogger
quote:that seems to be the theme
great Catholic menace
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:02 pm to The Boat
quote:
Confession is so absurd. You don’t need a middle man for forgiveness.
You need to read John 20:23
quote:
Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:02 pm to GreenRockTiger
I think after decades of mainstream, cultural, liberal Catholicism having a big presence in society, seeing it refined down to a more "serious" - albeit much smaller in number - contingent in America has made a lot of people uncomfortable.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:03 pm to bulletprooftiger
quote:no, this is just a ruse to punish the Catholic Church.
Perhaps a balance would be compulsory reporting by the priest, but not compulsory testimony.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:05 pm to Rabby
quote:
but will pay an awful price in the court of public opinion.
Thankfully Jesus doesn’t worry much about public opinion
This post was edited on 5/7/25 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:05 pm to Pettifogger
quote:that’s just too damned bad
has made a lot of people uncomfortable.
I’m tired of peoples’ feelings being hurt or being made uncomfortable.
I’m also tired of the constitution being manipulated when people find it necessary - do we have laws or not?
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:06 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:Says "Take my name out you mouth!"
People here see pedophilia under every rock...except the actual Rock.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:07 pm to GreenRockTiger
quote:
But I still do not go to confession with the priest I work for
When I was working for my parish, I followed this rule too.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:08 pm to Lexis Dad
quote:
You need to read John 20:23
Only God can forgive sins. Jesus gave the apostles the authority to tell people that God will forgive them. There's no need for the middle step.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:11 pm to GreenRockTiger
quote:
that’s just too damned bad
I’m tired of peoples’ feelings being hurt or being made uncomfortable.
I’m also tired of the constitution being manipulated when people find it necessary - do we have laws or not?
I'm just commenting on my theory as to why Catholics have been more recently under the gun after decades of being more acceptable than Evangelicals to our political elites.
1) The refining down of American catholicism to something more faithful and thus, more dangerous (to them)
2) The idea that you guys were going to be able to be bludgeoned and pushed around indefinitely due to the abuse scandals
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:11 pm to The Boat
Do people actually confess to being a pedophile?
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:13 pm to The Boat
quote:that’s not how Catholics interpret it
Jesus gave the apostles the authority to tell people that God will forgive them. There's no need for the middle step.
Only God forgives sins, but the priest can act in persona Christi - Jesus gave the apostles the power to act in persona Christi and that’s been handed down for centuries
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:14 pm to bulletprooftiger
quote:
Right. No one is saying that a prosecutor satisfies his burden of proving guild beyond a reasonable doubt based on testimony of a priest regarding the confession of a crime. The argument is that on balance certain things, like the commission of a sex crime against a child, should not be privileged when told to a clergy member. I need to see the law. Perhaps a balance would be compulsory reporting by the priest, but not compulsory testimony. That is, the State could learn about the crime from the priest, but would have to generate its own evidence to prove the person guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
Still against church law.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:15 pm to GreenRockTiger
quote:
that’s not how Catholics interpret it
Only God forgives sins, but the priest can act in persona Christi - Jesus gave the apostles the power to act in persona Christi and that’s been handed down for centuries
It's ok to believe something, albeit incorrect.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:16 pm to Pettifogger
quote:you really think that?
after decades of being more acceptable
Catholics have always been persecuted (to some extent) in the USA
JFK was the first Catholic president and look what happened to him.
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