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re: Catholics to excommunicate priests who follows Washington law about reporting child abuse
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:17 pm to GreenRockTiger
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:17 pm to GreenRockTiger
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JFK was the first Catholic president and look what happened to him.
if the mob was behind the hit it was Catholic on Catholic crime
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:17 pm to TDTOM
Honestly I could see it being more common than some hardened criminals.
My expectation is that many of them are probably pretty tortured souls who don't want to be what they are and are quite mentally ill (as opposed to say a serial murderer with no regard for life).
Which I think raises other questions, like what if someone confesses those impulses seeking help to avoid acting on them?
My expectation is that many of them are probably pretty tortured souls who don't want to be what they are and are quite mentally ill (as opposed to say a serial murderer with no regard for life).
Which I think raises other questions, like what if someone confesses those impulses seeking help to avoid acting on them?
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:17 pm to GreenRockTiger
Also, this is similar to baptism, where we need a minister of the church to take us from a state of sin to a state of grace/ salvation.
In addition to the Sacred Tradition, other verses in scripture to reference:
2 Cor 5:18
1 John 1:8-10
James 5:16
Mt. 8:4, 16:19, 18:18
Ccc 1441
In addition to the Sacred Tradition, other verses in scripture to reference:
2 Cor 5:18
1 John 1:8-10
James 5:16
Mt. 8:4, 16:19, 18:18
Ccc 1441
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:18 pm to The Boat
quote:I could say the same thing about you, right?
It's ok to believe something, albeit incorrect.
So Jesus tells the apostles to go baptize people, break bread with people, heal people in His name - but not act as an intermediary to forgive sins - although He actually says tells the apostles exactly that
This post was edited on 5/7/25 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:19 pm to BlackAdam
quote:
THe Church was trusting the science,
The Church that demands you to believe that a man was resurrected days after death, God impregnated a virgin, a man parted a sea, the entire planet was flooded, etc. was trusting science?
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:21 pm to Pettifogger
quote:then the priest usually gives the person resources to find that help, sometimes immediately
like what if someone confesses those impulses seeking help to avoid acting on them?
Trust me -I’ve seen this in my work. A few times.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:27 pm to The Boat
quote:
Jesus gave the apostles the authority to tell people that God will forgive them
I'm going to expand this to include verses 21 and 22 along with 23.
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Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
That's Jesus giving the Apostles (the first priests) the power, through the Holy Spirit, to forgive or not forgive sins.
If you wanna keep arguing against what John says here in The Gospel, that's just you.being obtuse.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:27 pm to LSUJuice
All this will do is prevent people from confessing/discussing certain things. Is that better? Furthermore confessions are supposed to be anonymous unless otherwise requested. How would that work in this case?
Priests likely hear all sorts of things from teenagers with an expectation of privacy. Are they supposed to go and tell their parents next?
Also this is about discussions and confessions. If a priest actually witnesses the abuse I’d expect him to have the same responsibilities as anyone else.
Priests likely hear all sorts of things from teenagers with an expectation of privacy. Are they supposed to go and tell their parents next?
Also this is about discussions and confessions. If a priest actually witnesses the abuse I’d expect him to have the same responsibilities as anyone else.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:28 pm to GreenRockTiger
quote:
you really think that?
Catholics have always been persecuted (to some extent) in the USA
We're probably talking about different periods. I think during my youth it was way more socially comfortable for a public official or celebrity or some other person in the spotlight to loosely claim Catholicism or Episcopalianism over even other mainline protestantism and certainly evangelicalism. Claiming the latter meant you were aligned with the anti-Clinton movement/Christian Coalition/etc. of the 90s. You were a step away from Eric Rudolph.
Catholicism was tOfficial religion of urban epicenters of culture and you could be Catholic in name only and very few people would raise questions of about why your life and activities don't align at all with Catholicism. It was socially acceptable to be a lapsed/cultural Catholic or lightly practicing Catholic in a way that lacked the connotation of being say, a Baptist in 1995.
I think Joe Biden is the perfect example of that dying out era.
In the last 10-15 years, I think those people have abandoned the title altogether because it's no longer socially/politically/etc. useful. You can just be nothing now, and as such I think felt Catholicism in mainstream culture has declined significantly as those cultural Catholics have left the label behind. However, what's left behind is a more significant and serious American Catholicism, and I think some of the institutions that supported lukewarm cultural Catholicism in decades prior are unhappy with it, and they're especially unhappy that you're not agreeing to be indefinitely sidelined from public life by the abuse scandal.
I'm not Catholic obviously, but that's my working observational theory.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:30 pm to GreenRockTiger
quote:
then the priest usually gives the person resources to find that help, sometimes immediately
Sure, but I'm talking about the potential legal implications (ie, a slippery slope that further conflates the role of the church and justice system in potentially undesirable ways).
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:30 pm to Sterling Archer
Regardless of where you stand on the topic, I think there's an argument to be made for both the constitutionality and the unconstitutionality of the law. There's certainly a compelling governmental interest at play; will be interesting from a legal angle
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:31 pm to jizzle6609
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I find it that everyone loves them a lazy religion. Less kneeling and standing up plus you dont have to do good works.
The Bible says salvation is found through repentance and acceptance of Jesus Christ as lord and savior. Not good works.
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I am not here for fun. I am here for the Lord.
Then maybe Catholics should acknowledge his saving grace and confess and ask forgiveness directly to Him instead of another flawed human being?
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:32 pm to Sterling Archer
Look, I hate abusers more than most, but isn't this a slippery slope kind of thing?
And I understand the principle but either something is sacred and confidential or it isn't,
This seems like one of those things where as soon as you start making one exception, you'll soon be making others.
Why not murder.., why not rape. Why not physical abuse? Why not theft?
I don't know what the answer is but allowing one state to dictates something ancient and protected, that is a global thing, not some Washington state thing.
You can't give exemptions.
And I understand the principle but either something is sacred and confidential or it isn't,
This seems like one of those things where as soon as you start making one exception, you'll soon be making others.
Why not murder.., why not rape. Why not physical abuse? Why not theft?
I don't know what the answer is but allowing one state to dictates something ancient and protected, that is a global thing, not some Washington state thing.
You can't give exemptions.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:33 pm to Lexis Dad
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That's Jesus giving the Apostles (the first priests) the power, through the Holy Spirit, to forgive or not forgive sins.
Jesus never told anyone they have to go through an apostle for forgiveness.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:36 pm to Sterling Archer
A family friend is a retired catholic priest, and is the one who married my wife and I. He has heard confession twice where someone confessed murder to him. He could not and did not report it because of the oath he took. I asked if he could report it now that he’s retired but he stated he has to take it to his grave.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:36 pm to Party At LSU
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The Bible says salvation is found through repentance and acceptance of Jesus Christ as lord and savior. Not good works.
Repentance and acceptance of Christ as our savior are both examples of good works.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:37 pm to CueBacca
quote:The majority of the fathers of the scientific method were Catholics boss. The notion that Catholicism is anti-science is ignorant.
The Church that demands you to believe that a man was resurrected days after death, God impregnated a virgin, a man parted a sea, the entire planet was flooded, etc. was trusting science?
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:38 pm to Sterling Archer
This is a very specific law to vote on and I am just wondering how they came across this as an issue?
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:42 pm to icecreamsnowball
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Repentance and acceptance of Christ as our savior are both examples of good works.
Not in the sense he was referring to. Volunteering at the senior center so you can put it on your public service hour log does not help you get to Heaven.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:43 pm to Pettifogger
quote:it depends on where you grew up
I think during my youth it was way more socially comfortable for a public official or celebrity or some other person in the spotlight to loosely claim Catholicism or Episcopalianism
I grew up 80/90s NOLA - Catholics were great
Other places in the Bible Belt, not so much
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