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re: Cardell Hayes attorney requests NOPD not handle investigation
Posted on 4/16/16 at 1:23 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 4/16/16 at 1:23 pm to lsupride87
It's absolutely a reach, for all the reasons I've said in the last few posts. Way too many irrational things would have happened.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 1:24 pm to Chad504boy
Oh I have duly admitted that it is a theory and not at all known
Posted on 4/16/16 at 1:25 pm to LNCHBOX
Let it be known, lnch is the measurer of reaches
Posted on 4/16/16 at 1:25 pm to lsupride87
You're being ridiculous now.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 1:26 pm to Supermoto Tiger
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You said Will Smith has a longer rap sheet than the murderer, Hayes.
No, i said that Will Smith's rap sheep was just as long as Hayes.
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Hayes, the 28-year-old charged with second-degree murder in Smith's death, was convicted only of non-domestic-related misdemeanors: one count of possession of drug paraphernalia and another count of illegal carrying of a weapon,
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Like Hayes, Will Smith was once charged with a crime that, if convicted, would have prohibited him from owning a gun. In 2010 Smith was accused of misdemeanor domestic abuse battery involving his wife Racquel. A domestic violence conviction, even if a misdemeanor, bans a person from legally owning or carrying a gun. But Will Smith was never convicted: His charge was dismissed after he completed counseling and community service and at Racquel Smith's request.
They were each only arrested once. I'm not trying to troll you or win some stupid game in your made up mind. THESE ARE FACTS
Posted on 4/16/16 at 1:31 pm to lsupride87
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However, we have witnesses speaking of an altercation between Hayes, Smith, and a shirtless man. We do not yet know if or what type of physical contact was made
Possible scenario:
Maybe Shirtless guy had an altercation with the Shooter and MAYBE Will tried to break it up? Maybe that's how his sunglasses ended up under his SUV?
Posted on 4/16/16 at 1:33 pm to Lester Earl
That's 2 charges for Hayes and one on Will, oh wait there is that pesky 2nd murder charge also so that's three for Hayes one on will.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 1:39 pm to rantfan
only 1 arrest each. And Will Smith's was violent. Paint it how you will.
If you want to include the crimes committed on that night, had Will Smith survived, he would have went to jail for the numerous unlawful things he last Saturday.
But, since we dont know if Hayes is guilty yet or not, we don't know how his use of lethal force will be viewed in court.
If you want to include the crimes committed on that night, had Will Smith survived, he would have went to jail for the numerous unlawful things he last Saturday.
But, since we dont know if Hayes is guilty yet or not, we don't know how his use of lethal force will be viewed in court.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 1:40 pm to lsupride87
Although this is obvious speculation, this is the only possible scenario that Hays is justified.
They don't even have to scuffle, maybe they just bowed up to one another somewhere between the two cars. Mrs. Smith then exits the vehicle with gun drawn or holding the gun.
Witnesses Said they saw her outside the car on the ground shot in the legs. They heard the 2 distinct shots first. Smith could have then ran back to his car to grab his gun (if someone shoots my wife I am going to try and kill them no matter what). While Smith is reaching into his car with his feet on the ground Hayes shoots him knowing that he is going to come out firing because his wife was just shot. This could explain the timing between the 2 volleys of shots and why they knew the first 2 were directed at Mrs Smith.
At first I assumed Mrs Smith was caught in the crossfire and if that is the case Hayes would be convicted because you are responsible for every bullet that leaves your gun even if firing in self defense. Again, everything is speculation right now but there is no doubt this is going to be an intriguing trial.
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Shirtless man and smith scuffle with Hayes
Mrs smith is able to retrieve gun
They don't even have to scuffle, maybe they just bowed up to one another somewhere between the two cars. Mrs. Smith then exits the vehicle with gun drawn or holding the gun.
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Hayes shoots her
Witnesses Said they saw her outside the car on the ground shot in the legs. They heard the 2 distinct shots first. Smith could have then ran back to his car to grab his gun (if someone shoots my wife I am going to try and kill them no matter what). While Smith is reaching into his car with his feet on the ground Hayes shoots him knowing that he is going to come out firing because his wife was just shot. This could explain the timing between the 2 volleys of shots and why they knew the first 2 were directed at Mrs Smith.
At first I assumed Mrs Smith was caught in the crossfire and if that is the case Hayes would be convicted because you are responsible for every bullet that leaves your gun even if firing in self defense. Again, everything is speculation right now but there is no doubt this is going to be an intriguing trial.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 1:50 pm to Whatafrekinchessiebr
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Witnesses Said they saw her outside the car on the ground shot in the legs. They heard the 2 distinct shots first. Smith could have then ran back to his car to grab his gun (if someone shoots my wife I am going to try and kill them no matter what). While Smith is reaching into his car with his feet on the ground Hayes shoots him knowing that he is going to come out firing because his wife was just shot. This could explain the timing between the 2 volleys of shots and why they knew the first 2 were directed at Mrs Smith.
IF this is the scenario then Smith was the one in self defense trying to save himself ,wife and friends. I would think the case for 2nd degree murder would still stand.THIS IS A BIG IF
Posted on 4/16/16 at 1:59 pm to rantfan
Not if Hayes, Smith and the shirtless guy were having words and she got out of the vehicle brandishing and Hayes drew after her. Definitely not saying this is how it went down just the only explanation where he could be found "legally not guilty". Mrs Smith had to be the one that had Hayes fearing for his life for him to legally shoot her first.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 2:04 pm to Whatafrekinchessiebr
If she had the gun outside of the vehicle then why would Smith be shot inside the vehicle in the back 7 times with feet outside the vehicle? Am i missing something about your theory?
Posted on 4/16/16 at 2:20 pm to rantfan
Maybe she got out with Smith's gun and Smith didn't realize she had it. When the shooting started he ran back to the driver's side door looking for it. Hayes not knowing if there were more guns in the vehicle began shooting immediately before an angry husband who's wife was just shot exited the vehicle with another gun to return fire. Everyone knows when your involved in a self defense situation you don't shoot to wound which would explain the number of shots to Smith's vitals.
Again, not saying this is how it went down but it is the only circumstances that I can think of where Hayes shoots the wife first and could be found " legally not guilty".
Again, not saying this is how it went down but it is the only circumstances that I can think of where Hayes shoots the wife first and could be found " legally not guilty".
Posted on 4/16/16 at 2:26 pm to rantfan
Hayes got the weapon charge from the drug charge. It really is just one incident.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 2:29 pm to rantfan
The other possibility if you give any credence to Haye's attorney's claims of a cover up is the possibility of multiple guns in Smith's car. It looks like the first gun was only "found" after witnesses claimed Smith's group had 1 or more than one gun. These claims obviously have forced the NOPD's hand to "find" the one gun. What are th possibilities they "lost" one too?
Posted on 4/16/16 at 2:34 pm to Nado Jenkins83
That's two charges on the rap sheet. Not one
Posted on 4/16/16 at 2:34 pm to Whatafrekinchessiebr
Pierre walked a gun away from scene
Posted on 4/16/16 at 2:35 pm to Whatafrekinchessiebr
OK, I missed this part of his lawyer's statement
Posted on 4/16/16 at 2:41 pm to Chad504boy
Could of disappeared a lot of ways. I think it's shitty and tragic a fender bender ended this way.
I am not sure it went down this way but if Hayes walks this will probably be the way it went down (or how it's presented to have gone down).
I am not sure it went down this way but if Hayes walks this will probably be the way it went down (or how it's presented to have gone down).
Posted on 4/16/16 at 5:31 pm to Lester Earl
This case doesn't sound as black and white as many folks want it to be. Doesn't mean the outcome won't be what those folks think it will be, but the route to get there isn't straight and narrow or doesn't sound to be.
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