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re: Canada announces plans to legalize weed nationwide
Posted on 4/21/16 at 12:09 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 4/21/16 at 12:09 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Violent drug dealers exist because of the illegal nature of drugs.
That's simply false. Violence exist in the drug world because of how interactions occur sensibly or irrationally between people.
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Posted on 4/21/16 at 12:23 pm to Manchac Man
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That's simply false
I remember being as you are. There is too much information to the contrary of your beliefs. You'll give it up someday
Posted on 4/21/16 at 12:25 pm to Manchac Man
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I just don't see any truth to this statement
Because you believe what you want to believe
Posted on 4/21/16 at 2:04 pm to RogerTheShrubber
While I can see you point. I'm not willing to give in and say Violence or violent dealers are because the substance is illegal. Too many varibles to consider, first and foremost being the client of the dealers. Are you really dealing with rational people on either end of the transaction when violence is brought in?
While this discussion can go on and on....I"ll say that I'm an open person and it is intersting to see your differnence in view point.
While this discussion can go on and on....I"ll say that I'm an open person and it is intersting to see your differnence in view point.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 2:07 pm to Manchac Man
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I'm not willing to give in and say Violence or violent dealers are because the substance is illegal.
Violent dealers would not be selling the substance if it was legal.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 2:10 pm to Manchac Man
During prohibition, the alcohol trade was every bit as violent as the drug trade, if not more so. Once Prohibition ended, that violence ended. Do people still get drunk and get in fights or beat up their spouse? Sure. But thugs no longer shoot up a bar because it uses a rival supplier.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 2:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I believe this because of statistics. But there is more of a dynamic than just statistics alone. Much of that would be disagreeable by many on this board as well.
This post was edited on 4/21/16 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 4/21/16 at 2:21 pm to LSUTENNIS88
So Lit
Posted on 4/21/16 at 2:26 pm to Manchac Man
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Violence exist in the drug world because of how interactions occur sensibly or irrationally between people.
I haven't heard of any stabbings at methadone clinics.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 2:35 pm to mouton
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Violent dealers would not be selling the substance if it was legal.
agreed
The point in my confusing delivery was to argue that the violence in drug trade was not because the substance was illegal. the fact is that dealers will be there one way or another. The violence occurs when interactions go all wrong. This could be for a number of reasons.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 2:47 pm to Manchac Man
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The illegal portion of that is to limit the availability of those drugs that make people violent, crazy, unpredictable, impaired or otherwise worthless to society.
Then why is alcohol legal?
It makes people violent, impaired, crazy, unpredictable and worthless to society.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 2:50 pm to Jim Rockford
O Canada We Stand On Guard For Thee! 
Posted on 4/21/16 at 3:06 pm to Manchac Man
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he point in my confusing delivery was to argue that the violence in drug trade was not because the substance was illegal. the fact is that dealers will be there one way or another. The violence occurs when interactions go all wrong. This could be for a number of reasons.
Damn you're stubborn. the problem is that politicians are just as stubborn as you.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 3:12 pm to Manchac Man
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How many times do you think the worthless hardcore user said before he took his/her first hit of anything.... I'm probably going to be hooked...I can afford this coke but once I go broke I'll be a crackhead.
Ok
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understand weed is in a different ballpark a
Apparently you don't understand this though.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 4:24 pm to Manchac Man
quote:Why is there violence in the drug trade?
Are you really dealing with rational people on either end of the transaction when violence is brought in?
Posted on 4/21/16 at 4:30 pm to Jim Rockford
Posted on 4/21/16 at 4:44 pm to Manchac Man
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The violence occurs when interactions go all wrong.
What typically happens when interactions go all wrong in the context of legitimate, legal transactions?
Posted on 4/21/16 at 4:52 pm to Manchac Man
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The violence occurs when interactions go all wrong.
This sounds like a bumper sticker for why drugs ought to be legal.
I've never once had an interaction go sideways while buying a beer at a bar, or alcohol at a grocery store...or prescription drugs at a Walgreens. On the other hand, I'm willing to bet that if alcohol, once again, became illegal and I needed to sneak around to buy it in alleys from criminals...well, I'm thinking the times those interactions would go all wrong would be kind of high. In short, they go wrong BECAUSE it's an illegal transaction and by definition all parties are criminals.
I have zero interest in smoking pot...never have...but the amount of mental gymnastics needed to continue the charade of pot needing to be illegal because of all the societal harms while pretending we don't currently have a metric shite ton of completely legal substances that cause far more harm but whose proponents simply have far more lobbying power is just astounding.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 4:55 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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I have zero interest in smoking pot...never have...but the amount of mental gymnastics needed to continue the charade of pot needing to be illegal because of all the societal harms
The most absurd part is that these people lament the possible societal harms from legalization while completely ignoring or dismissing the societal harms that come from it being illegal. It's like that part of the equation just doesn't register with them.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 4:56 pm to Mr.Perfect
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The taxes generated would be astounding. It is a no brainer.
This is pure stupidity.
If decriminalization occurred, people would grow their own and no taxes would be generated.
You fricker have fired your brains
Apparently you haven't paid any attention to how much revenue Colorado is generating because of taxes on pot. Their projections were completely blown out of the water.
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