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re: Can you solve a Rubiks Cube?

Posted on 7/16/17 at 6:04 pm to
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
39239 posts
Posted on 7/16/17 at 6:04 pm to
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I said not everyone is able to causally glance at all sides, consider all moves, visualize how those moves will change the board, then make moves based on those visualizations, optimize the order of the moves for maximum efficiency, and then memorize that sequence so that you are no longer actively thinking about it so you can focus on moving your fingers as fast as possible, and do it all in under 10 seconds.


No where in your post do you even come close to saying this.

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And to prove your point you bring up you spending an afternoon once WITH outside guides to help. Oh yes, you are definitively on the same level as that. You just don't have as much time as that


Took me about 15 minutes when I was 15.... Where the frick did you get an afternoon?

Also, no where in your post nor what you quoted stated a time frame. You simply stated that not anyone can do it, and compared it to brain surgery. Which is an asinine comparison either way.

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mean for fricks sake, do you people not realize that "anyone" includes the fast food workers that can't get your order right/can't keep the shake machine running that this board loves to hate?


If I offered anyone off the street to either solve a rubiks cube or perform brain surgery, I promise you many and more would be able to do one over the other.

Even if you gave some arbitrary time frame in which to perform said task, more would be able to do the rubiks cube than brain surgery.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53599 posts
Posted on 7/16/17 at 6:30 pm to
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No where in your post do you even come close to saying this.



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I said not everyone is able to causally glance at all sides, consider all moves, visualize how those moves will change the board, then make moves based on those visualizations, optimize the order of the moves for maximum efficiency, and then memorize that sequence so that you are no longer actively thinking about it so you can focus on moving your fingers as fast as possible, and do it all in under 10 seconds.


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Both require memorization of large amounts of data, and the ability to recall AND apply it with seconds of evaluation.


Que? Its one thing not seeing where I was coming from to start with considering it is a one line statement, its quite another to pretend I never said anything at all after the fact. Its the EXACT same statement, just fleshed out illustrating everything he did.

Of course.....

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Also, no where in your post nor what you quoted stated a time frame.


That would require following a train of thought rather than knee jerk replying to singular posts. I didn't comment in a thread about someone merely solving a Rubik's cube.

I commented to someone dismissing being able to solve one in under ten seconds (study time + 5.4 seconds action) as stated in the OP as merely requiring practice that anyone can do.

I didn't even imply it was a genius level ability, just that if you can do it, you are obviously above average, and possibly well above average. Its not merely a function of practice, but ability.

Don't blame your assumptions on me just because you were trying to knight. Even then, I don't know why you would think the OP would have no context in the posts that followed though.
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 6:36 pm
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 7/16/17 at 6:37 pm to
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It takes a lot of practice and study, but that's only part of the foundation of the ability to do it.



No, it's just training your muscle memory. I used to do it high school and regularly got 45 seconds or so.

If a football player with a middling to poor Wonderlic can learn a playbook then he can learn how to solve a Rubik's Cube.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53599 posts
Posted on 7/16/17 at 6:40 pm to
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I used to do it high school and regularly got 45 seconds or so.


You are also well to the right of the bell curve of intellectual ability, and was only able to get within a ~ 5x time of his completion.

Do you really think you can get that football player with a middling to poor Wonderlic score to a sub 20 time?

Its just a function of practice after all.
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 6:50 pm
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
39239 posts
Posted on 7/16/17 at 6:41 pm to
keep stretching broseph. Your comparison to solving a rubiks cube to brain surgery is asinine.

They are in no way shape or form comparable.

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Don't blame your assumptions on me just because you were trying to knight. Even then, I don't know why you would think the OP would have no context in the posts that followed though.


Says th guy chock full of assumptions

And I'm not trying to "knight" for anyone. I'm simply calling an asinine comparison asinine. Because that's what it is.

Say it with me.... Comparing solving a rubiks cube (in any time frame) to brain surgery is asinine.
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 6:42 pm
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53599 posts
Posted on 7/16/17 at 6:42 pm to
Alright.

Throw out the brain surgeon shite.


My points remain.

Don't know why you think an exaggerated aside was the basis of my argument.

EDIT: There, the one line you are obsessed about is gone.

I stand by the belief however that claiming that the industry average fast food worker can replicate the feat in the OP with sufficient practice to be even more asinine however.
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 6:47 pm
Posted by OKellsBells
USA
Member since Dec 2016
5264 posts
Posted on 7/16/17 at 6:47 pm to
Yes. I can solve the Rubik's in about a 70 seconds. Also can solve the Megaminx, Pyraminx, mirror cube, Fischer cube, Curvey copter, Magic snake, etc etc. I haven't solved the Professor cube yet.



Posted by Python
Member since May 2008
6686 posts
Posted on 7/16/17 at 6:47 pm to
In high school in the 80's, I could do it in 30 seconds or so. Just took practice and repetition.
Posted by OKellsBells
USA
Member since Dec 2016
5264 posts
Posted on 7/16/17 at 6:51 pm to
Yep. It is actually pretty easy. I find it very relaxing.

I can hold one in each hand and solve them simultaneously. Unsubtle brag.
:coco2:
Posted by Cdawg
TigerFred's Living Room
Member since Sep 2003
62218 posts
Posted on 7/16/17 at 7:01 pm to
Yes. been working lately on solving a speed cube left handed in under 2 minutes. My goal is under 60 seconds.
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25427 posts
Posted on 7/16/17 at 7:10 pm to
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No where in your post do you even come close to saying this.



It is implied given the context of the thread. Those things are what is necessary to do what is happening in the video in the OP. So when the poster said that "with enough practice, anyone could train their brain for that" it is implied pretty clearly that she is saying that is all it takes to do what is being done in the video in the OP. Or at least it can be taken that way pretty easily.
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 7:11 pm
Posted by noonan
Nassau Bay, TX
Member since Aug 2005
37016 posts
Posted on 7/16/17 at 8:34 pm to
Is this conversation about figuring out a Rubix cube, or being taught how to solve it? Because those are two very different things.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122527 posts
Posted on 7/16/17 at 8:51 pm to
If I were born when they first came out with the rubiks cube, I would have probably been one of the first people to solve it in less than a half minute on my first try.
Posted by OKellsBells
USA
Member since Dec 2016
5264 posts
Posted on 7/16/17 at 8:53 pm to
Can you solve one now?
Posted by OKellsBells
USA
Member since Dec 2016
5264 posts
Posted on 7/16/17 at 8:54 pm to
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Is this conversation about figuring out a Rubix cube, or being taught how to solve it? Because those are two very different things.


If anyone is actually interested I will post the algorithms.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122527 posts
Posted on 7/16/17 at 9:00 pm to
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Can you solve one now?


Obviously
Posted by OKellsBells
USA
Member since Dec 2016
5264 posts
Posted on 7/16/17 at 9:03 pm to
Cool! What method do you use and what's your best time? Can you solve other cubes too?
Posted by ummagumma
Member since Aug 2012
421 posts
Posted on 7/16/17 at 9:27 pm to
Hiring Managers should really use a Rubik's cube in the hiring process. They should tell the applicant they need to take an important call, stick them in a cubicle or wherever and toss them a Rubik's cube. Tell them to see if they can solve it while they wait. If the person is still fumbling around twisting and turning after 10 minutes, send them on their way.

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