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re: Can the Baton Rouge region become more economically competitive with St. George?

Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:52 am to
Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
Member since May 2007
78526 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:52 am to
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It doesn't matter how successful or appealing St. George is, with the current leadership of Baton Rouge, nothing good is going to happen. The mayor's first 2 actions were to appoint Silky Slim to the board of Law Enforcement oversight (or something like that) and hold Malcolm X day. Do you really think this woman is going to be able to move Baton Rouge forward? Get some good leadership in that's willing to work with the entire parish and not just cater to NBR, then get back with.


I get that. But adding another functional city inside the parish is better for the region than not having it. And this thread is focused on the Baton Rouge region, not just the city.
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:52 am to
Agree the mayor is in way over her head
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53535 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:52 am to
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I can’t say the same thing about BR because they are going to get desperate for tax revenue.

We are an upper middle class family that lives in the BR city limits. I'm about to get arse raped aren't I?
Posted by tommy2tone1999
St. George, LA
Member since Sep 2008
7795 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:53 am to
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Right now, the city/parish has a good credit rating and sees regular net positive (if low) growth.


Baton Rouge is in the Top 5 most overleveraged cities in the nation According to JP Morgan.

BR Business Report 2017

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some 52% of city-parish dollars are obligated to pay for unfunded pension liabilities, retiree healthcare costs, and general bonded debt for programs like the city-parish’s sewer system upgrade.


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Over the next 30 years, the city-parish, in a worst-case scenario, will have to either increases taxes by 24%, cut non-pension spending by 20% or increase worker contributions to the system by 525% in order to meet its obligations.


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The report gives Baton Rouge—the only Louisiana city on the list—a debt risk indicator of 90, which is based on its debt ratio and other factors that mitigate or compound fiscal challenges, such as revenues and population growth. Only four cities have higher debt risk indicators than Baton Rouge—Chicago, Houston, Austin and Dallas.


East Baton Rouge would do better to help St. George succeed. If they keep up with the underhanded bullshite, they're doomed.
This post was edited on 10/14/19 at 10:02 am
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104066 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:55 am to
$10 says that any money St George pays on legacy costs for city-parish employee pensions goes missing.
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
15791 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:56 am to
I just went and looked at the ginger counts Fb pages. Here is a summary of the last 48 hrs...

Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104066 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:57 am to
Heckler or Koch?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476870 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:57 am to
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Yep. As a resident of Baton Rouge and someone who supported St. George, I believe that if the City-Parish government and the newly formed City of St. George leadership actually remain professional and regional-focused...we'll be successful.

the sad part is they won't, at least the current admin

you're always going to have NBR acting like it's been "left out", ESPECIALLY if StG is the focus of economic development
Posted by redfish99
B.R.
Member since Aug 2007
19439 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:57 am to
Of course IT COULD but SWB and her ilk are still breathing so...........
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104066 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:58 am to
One has to have an economy in order to have economic development.

Louisiana Purchase Cards are not economic development, they are transfer payments.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476870 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:59 am to
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One has to have an economy in order to have economic development.

Louisiana Purchase Cards are not economic development, they are transfer payments.

the problem is that one side is focused on development while the other sees that as a bad thing b/c they're focused on equity
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
15791 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:00 am to
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Heckler or Koch?


Both. Kibbles was a little more loony....but that was to be expected.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104066 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:02 am to
The reason one side sees a problem with “development” is that they find a way to frick it up by killing the golden goose.

The reason NBR is a “food desert” isn’t because people don’t want to sell there, it is because people steal the store blind while the employees picket for raises.

We’ve seen this story happen multiple times with Kroeger, Real Superstore, National, etc.
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53535 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:03 am to
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Real Superstore

That store was awesome when I was a kid.
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:05 am to
That side sees development as completely govt funded. Who gives a shite if the plan is an economic disaster from the start? It's not my money
Posted by mthorn2
Planet Louisiana
Member since Sep 2007
1585 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:06 am to
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Taxes - This is the big one because sales taxes in BR are among the highest in the nation thanks to the permanent tax increase pushed by JBE a few years back.


Look I'm a republican but lets be honest here... JBE increased taxes to save us from Jindal's stupidity. I agree with your list and that Taxes are a big issue and should be listed but its hard to blame JBE, for solving the shyt show of a problem he inherited.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476870 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:06 am to
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That side sees development as completely govt funded

i'm glad people are finally seeing this rhetoric
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104066 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:07 am to
BR wonders why St George wanted to incorporate? That mindset right there is a big part of it.

BR can waste BR’s own money on this shite. Not St George’s.
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
15791 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:08 am to
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The reason one side sees a problem with “development” is that they find a way to frick it up by killing the golden goose.

The reason NBR is a “food desert” isn’t because people don’t want to sell there, it is because people steal the store blind while the employees picket for raises.

We’ve seen this story happen multiple times with Kroeger, Real Superstore, National, etc.



My favorite is Gravy blaming Whitey for the food desert. He thinks there is some kind of gold mine in NBR yet fails to realize if it were true, companies would still be there.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104066 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:09 am to
Raising taxes is understandable to a degree but he raised the rate by 1% in a state with already high sales taxes and then increased spending significantly.

Yes, it “saved” the state but it put economic development in the toilet because it was hard to create new jobs or sales when the cost of doing business made you uncompetitive with other areas.
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