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California ship pileup still piling up — but out of sight, over horizon
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:12 am
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:12 am
These supply chain issues are not going away any time soon. West coast port union's contract is up in summer of 2022. Nearly every time this comes up, there is a strike.
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FreightWaves
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:13 am to seawolf06
I want to know who is paying all the fees while these ships sit in wait? Those day rates have to astronomical
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:13 am to seawolf06
But Brandon met with CEO's and assured us there would be no shortages!
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:13 am to bayoudude
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I want to know who is paying all the fees while these ships sit in wait? Those day rates have to astronomical
Probably a good thing the ocean doesn't charge demurrage at the rate the railroads do.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:15 am to seawolf06
Mayor Pete said he had this handled
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:18 am to seawolf06
Hopefully someday day a businessman runs for President, and his number one goal is to quell our dependence on Chyna.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:19 am to VolsOut4Harambe
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Probably a good thing the ocean doesn't charge demurrage at the rate the railroads do.
The ports will charge detention fees if your freight is not collected, though that isn't really what is going on here.
Nothing additional is charged necessarily while a ship sits on the water, but you can see how the costs continue to rise as the backlog continues. Furthermore, that's tens or hundreds of millions in inventory just sitting on the ocean.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:19 am to upgrayedd
If all you people would just take the vaccine
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:20 am to seawolf06
New BBB measure of creating a whole new industry to hire the unemployed, while solving over-crowded, infrastructure-stressed population centers:
Deep Water, Outdoor, Floating Shopping Plazas Accessible by Solar-Electric Watercraft
Deep Water, Outdoor, Floating Shopping Plazas Accessible by Solar-Electric Watercraft
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:22 am to tankyank13
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Hopefully someday day a businessman runs for President, and his number one goal is to quell our dependence on Chyna.
That would be something, wouldn't it?
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:26 am to seawolf06
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on here.
Nothing additional is charged necessarily while a ship sits on the water, but you can see how the costs continue to rise as the backlog continues.
I am referring to the cost of actually operating that ship. Crew, fuel etc those ships are sitting there on someone’s dime. The shipping company won’t just eat that extra expense and lost revenue for making less trips per month etc.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:28 am to seawolf06
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Nothing additional is charged necessarily while a ship sits on the water,
Really? Seems like their would be some massive demurge for a ship sitting around loaded for a few weeks.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:30 am to tankyank13
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Hopefully someday day a businessman runs for President, and his number one goal is to quell our dependence on Chyna.
As a white progressive I’ll label any businessman who goes against China a white supremacist. Then I’ll vote in an actual white supremacist like Biden
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:30 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
This post was edited on 1/2/22 at 9:35 am
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:33 am to seawolf06
At what point does it become more economical/faster to keep the ships sailing to other ports on the Gulf or East Coasts?
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:36 am to tankyank13
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Hopefully someday day a businessman runs for President, and his number one goal is to quell our dependence on Chyna.
As long as he isn’t orange apparently.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:36 am to seawolf06
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Nothing additional is charged necessarily while a ship sits on the water, but you can see how the costs continue to rise as the backlog continues. Furthermore, that's tens or hundreds of millions in inventory just sitting on the ocean.
Yup. Inventory carrying costs of stagnant inventory sitting OTW are sky high. Additionally, you have product sitting in those containers that is already advancing in its life cycle, i.e., TV's and computers, which consequently has the potential to become near-obsolete before it's even offloaded.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:38 am to tankyank13
But what if he sends out mean tweets?
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:38 am to seawolf06
Trump would have brokered a deal to get them a discounted price to move through the Panama Canal and offloaded elsewhere.
Biden does nothing.
Biden does nothing.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:44 am to bayoudude
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on here.
Nothing additional is charged necessarily while a ship sits on the water, but you can see how the costs continue to rise as the backlog continues.
I am referring to the cost of actually operating that ship. Crew, fuel etc those ships are sitting there on someone’s dime. The shipping company won’t just eat that extra expense and lost revenue for making less trips per month etc.
The costs likely fall on the charterers. The ship likely made its arrival time and announced its readiness.
“The market is still very much two-tier, with short employment being negotiated at stratospheric figures, up to USD 200,000 per day for some ships, while the more conventional 24 month and 36 month charters are commanding significantly lower, albeit historically high, rates,” Alphaliner noted in its most recent weekly report.
Among the most eye catching deals reported has been concluded by fast growing Chinese carrier CU Lines, which has just shelled out a “whopping” $155,000 per day to take the 2,751 teu Northern Vivacity for a six-month charter, according to Alphaliner. CU Lines has grown from its domestic trading routes to take in new services to the US and Europe this year.
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