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re: California Pizza Huts lay off all delivery drivers ahead of minimum wage increase
Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:48 pm to ProjectP2294
Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:48 pm to ProjectP2294
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just a reminder that the real minimum wage is $0
Actually the take away is there is no minimum wage, there are wages that require taxpayers to subsidize the production costs of employers. Wages require labor and has a cost associated with it. Labor requires a living body and that living bodies production costs are either covered by their laboring for their employer or some form of collective spending that subsidizes those costs.
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Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:51 pm to LSUFanHouston
What should they be paid?
Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:55 pm to Skillet
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I’m very leery of my food traveling with strangers so I hardly ever have it done. Once had a food delivery dude show up at my door holding the bag of food with his mouth.
Spoken like someone who has never spent time in the back of the house of a restaurant.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:55 pm to crimsonsaint
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$16 + tips is good money for HS and college kids. But the liberals f’ed them out of it.
HS kids have what, 4 hours a day during the week during the school year that they can deliver Pizzas. College students have more free time but it does not coincide with the entirety of the pizza delivery time frame. This means that if you're going to go into the Pizza Delivery business you may have to hire something other than high school students or college kids. This is why there should be no such thing as a minimum wage and should simply being a wage that covers the entire cost of the employees production from the revenue of the employer and not the collective efforts of customers and non customers alike. A high school kid who lives at home has far less production costs than an adult with 3 kids. If you can man your business at your expense in its entirety with those high school kids you and that kid should be allowed to come to terms that do not require any money from taxpayers for that kid to produce. If you can't man your business with those kids the expectation should be that you foot the entire cost of your production from your revenue without any subsidy of any sort from anyone else, like about 90% of employers do already. If you do not you should be taxed and the money distributed to your employees. If you are not a viable business which can succeed on your own with subsidized housing, medical care and transportation then frick you go out of business you welfare queen.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:57 pm to crimsonsaint
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$16 + tips is good money for HS and college kids. But the liberals f’ed them out of it.
Damn near every food delivery driver I've had at my door and drive through person that's handed me food in the last 5-10 years is a full on adult and often 50+.
Y'all live in a fantasy world were fast food is mostly teens and college kids.
This post was edited on 12/27/23 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 12/27/23 at 1:00 pm to Scuttle But
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It boggles my mind that people can be so ignorant on basic economics.
The CEO is worth $19 million to Pizza Hut.
Delivery drivers aren't even worth minimum wage to the company by definition. If the company could legally pay them less then they would.
You take misses a basic foundation of economic theory and that is the fact that all production costs must be covered by revenue or you will go out of business. Low wage employers are not viable businesses IF they do not pay for the entirety of their production costs out of their revenue...it makes no difference what anyone is "worth" it is a matter of simple economics. If your business model relies on delivery people the entirety of their production costs should come from your revenue, not part of it and part of it out of the public coffer. The low wage employer relies on subsidized housing, health care and transportation for their employees so they can remain in business. Why so many people otherwise opposed to government spending is OK with Pizza Hut receiving these massive handouts is staggering to the imagination....
Posted on 12/27/23 at 1:05 pm to deltaland
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On average one franchise has a manager (salary) and 4 hourly employees (2 cooks, waitress, driver).
Most are open 10:30am to 11 pm. But you have prep and then cleaning after close. Let’s say 16 hours a day total, 7 days a week. 448 total work hours a week by 4 hourly employees. Assume all make MW at 16 dollars in California.
I think your numbers are off...
You have 448 working hours, for each of your 4 hourly workers, meaning they are each working, on average, 112 hours each week, which would be...challenging.
You also just calculated at $16.00 straight time, which would not be remotely close, as there would be a metric shite-ton of OT for those 4 that are working 72 hours of OT.
Now, let's just say the 4 are working 40 hours p/wk.
At $16.00 p/hr, then each EE would get $640 p/wk, which is $2,560 p/wk combined, or $133,120 combined annually, or $33,280 p/EE.
At $20.00 p/hr, then each EE would get $800 p/wk, which is $3,200 p/wk combined, or $166,400 combined annually, or $41,600 p/EE.
At a base standpoint, an increase of $33,280 p/yr. for all 4, or $8,320 p/EE.
Therefore, eliminating the one driver position would save each location $41,600 p/yr (@$20.00 p/hr).
So, if you're a small owner/operator, then you just saved yourself about $50k p/yr, instead of having to pay an additional $33,280.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 1:08 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Class warfar is ugly, but it doesn't make you a whiny liberal to observe that most CEOs are overpaid and the real work is done by the people below the CEO... who would still be around if the company fired the CEO.
The financial pot the CEO pay comes from isn’t where the hourly employees pay comes from. This will be a long post but I feel people need to understand how these businesses work.
1. Individual businessman or a group of investors want to open 5 pizza huts in Los Angeles. They create an entity called LA Pizza holdings, LLC.
2. They then go borrow the money from a bank in LA to build the Pizza huts and finance their day to day operation after getting approval from Yum! who owns the Pizza Hut brand. They pay the 25,000 dollar franchise fee to Yum! and 6% of all sales in royalties plus 3% additional for marketing. The employees of these 5 pizza huts are not paid by Yum! they are paid by LA Pizza Holdings ,LLC from the bank that they do business with. When you purchase a pizza from theee locations your bank statement will show a charge from LA Pizza Holdings, LLC not Yum!
3. Pizza Hut is simply a brand. The 6 billion in profit for Pizza Hut corporation comes from franchise fees and the sales royalties. This is where the CEO pay comes from.
Now what does the CEO do?
The responsibility of Pizza Hut corporation is to maintain a positive brand image so their franchisees remain profitable by having adequate sales numbers. It is also their fiduciary responsibility to ensure the brand is profitable to Yum! since Yum! has a fiduciary responsibility to its public shareholders.
The CEO’s job is to make sure things operate in a way to maintain a positive brand image. Typically you’ll have district managers that cover all franchises in a region. Their job is to go and ensure all locations owned by individual franchisees are being managed up to par per the franchise agreement. CEO makes these hires. CEO deals with PR, marketing dept, distribution, warehousing, R&D, HR, etc. CEO must ensure all these divisions are operating properly and following the company vision to maintain the brand image they desire. CEO constantly reviews reports on sales from each district, negative news on particular locations, deals with media, approves new marketing strategies, new products, etc. All it takes is hiring one or two poor people to head up a department that causes a chain reaction that costs hundred of millions of dollars.
Example: Rogue employee in marketing dept makes controversial political statement that leads to boycott of Pizza Hut. See: Bud Light. Brand image damaged, sales drop, franchises close and revenue to Pizza Hut corporation is hurt. Investors are now reluctant to invest in new Pizza Hut franchises due to poor brand image increasing the risk.
Or say a district manager hired by CEO isn’t on top of things, and a big franchisee that owns 30 locations under the district managers watch decides to cut corners on quality, leading hundreds of customers with food poisoning causing it to hit national news. Brand image damaged, see results above.
So yes, CEO pay is justified because no CEO or a poor CEO can absolutely lead to poor management and brand destruction in a hurry.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 1:12 pm to RLDSC FAN
For about 70 years or so some folks in this country have been bemoaning any form of public assistance. Probably longer than that. In that same time frame wages have remained pretty stagnant, failing to keep up with inflation. Meanwhile we have created all sorts of regulations that significantly drive up the cost of living, simple things like zoning that does not allow for multi-family housing and safety features on cars that significantly increase the cost of a car...all the while severely limiting spending on public services like public transportation, public housing, public water, public sewage etc etc etc. We have also made it damn near impossible for employees to form a union, we have passed laws that make simple indiscretions major legal offenses and ruined lives....and all the while low wage employers have skated on their relying on us subsidizing their work forces production costs. In the ultimate irony all too many of us blame the employee while the employer is seen as a self reliant, rugged individual job creator. The amount of spending available to those low wage employees is no drying up...and when it is suggested that maybe they foot the bill themselves or go the frick out of business they whine like mashed kitties and the right toadies up to them and provides them comfort. It is the damndest thing ever...and is all about some folks loving the idea of others suffering even though it is cost them.
So what do y'all want? You want people to work or commit crimes, because that is the options available. If work is the answer...and here is a fricking clue it is, then that work should foot the bill for their production IN ITS ENTIRETY. Why there is supposed to be a free lunch for low wage employers is beyond the scope of imagination...but rest assured many will suggest there absolutely will and will do so by trying to claim that human beings have a market price like hog bellies and oranges....
So what do y'all want? You want people to work or commit crimes, because that is the options available. If work is the answer...and here is a fricking clue it is, then that work should foot the bill for their production IN ITS ENTIRETY. Why there is supposed to be a free lunch for low wage employers is beyond the scope of imagination...but rest assured many will suggest there absolutely will and will do so by trying to claim that human beings have a market price like hog bellies and oranges....
Posted on 12/27/23 at 1:13 pm to biglego
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think it can be true that CEOs are overpaid but we can also acknowledge that corporations will keep paying these CEO salaries and will often if not always choose to instead lay off low level workers.
That’s because the Pizza Hut corporation doesn’t employ the hourly workers. It’s up to the franchises to stay profitable. The owner of the franchise makes the decision, not Pizza Hut corporation
Posted on 12/27/23 at 1:18 pm to LSUFanHouston
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That seems like way too low for number of employees, and profit. Way too low.
Nope. Our local Pizza Hut never has more than 2-3 employees. I didn’t pull those numbers out of my arse I researched it first. This is “on average.” A location in a city will have more, a small town have less.
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those numbers are true, why would anyone get into this, unless they are getting into dozens or hundreds at a time... in which case the math is totally different and it's not an individual "owner" we are taking about.
Most franchise owners own several locations. If you own 5 locations that earn the average profit you’re making 500k a year. But that doesn’t change the math for each location
Posted on 12/27/23 at 1:23 pm to RummelTiger
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think your numbers are off... You have 448 working hours, for each of your 4 hourly workers, meaning they are each working, on average, 112 hours each week, which would be...challenging.
They’re not off. Each hourly position works 112 hours a week. That position is usually split up into shifts of 2-3 different employees but for the purpose of doing the numbers for the company overall labor costs it’s not necessary to do each individual employee. Just add up the total hours you pay for each position. Obviously it varies based on each employee rate of pay I.e one driver on the mid day shift makes 18 while evening shift driver makes 16, but getting into that isn’t necessary to make my point.
Pizza Hut operates more than 40 hours a week. To do the math the way you did it, it should be roughly 12 hourly employees working 40 hours a week. 3 of which are drivers working different shifts. 4 total hourly employees per shift
This post was edited on 12/27/23 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 12/27/23 at 1:23 pm to Deactived
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Force businesses to raise wages. Business fires employees.
Then those employees get hired by a third party company that employs them as independent contractors to do the same job and the consumer gets to pay twice as much for delivery.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 1:23 pm to AwgustaDawg
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AwgustaDawg
Ever heard of paragraphs?
Posted on 12/27/23 at 1:24 pm to AwgustaDawg
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So what do y'all want? You want people to work or commit crimes,
If someone chooses to buck on a 16 dollar an hour job and move to committing crimes that's not on us brother
Posted on 12/27/23 at 1:26 pm to RLDSC FAN
Well, well...if it isn't the consequences of my own actions?
Posted on 12/27/23 at 1:36 pm to deltaland
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Pizza Hut operates more than 40 hours a week. To do the math the way you did it, it should be roughly 12 hourly employees working 40 hours a week. 3 of which are drivers working different shifts. 4 total hourly employees per shift
lolwut? Well, no shite. if you had 4 hourly employees working 40 hours eac h p/wk, then that would be 160 working hours (plus whatever your manager is working), so let's say 200+.
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They’re not off.
They're most assuredly off.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 1:43 pm to Scruffy
quote:He just likes to hop in and troll with one post, never return.
c on z is a woman.
After years of observing it, it’s obvious at this point.
ETA: And just as I suspected, he made 1 post in the thread, on the first page. If he can’t get the troll in on the 1st page, he happily moves on.
I can’t believe nobody else sees he’s always just joking around.
This post was edited on 12/27/23 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 12/27/23 at 3:36 pm to ReauxlTide222
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ETA: And just as I suspected, he made 1 post in the thread, on the first page. If he can’t get the troll in on the 1st page, he happily moves on. I can’t believe nobody else sees he’s always just joking around.
28 replies to his post, and they’re all saying the same thing
That’s impressive
Posted on 12/27/23 at 3:46 pm to TheIndulger
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28 replies to his post, and they’re all saying the same thing
That’s impressive
He routinely doubles that on the Poli Board.
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