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re: California passes "Right to Die"/Assisted Suicide Bill - Do you support?

Posted on 9/14/15 at 7:54 am to
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 9/14/15 at 7:54 am to
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on what basis do you support the notion that any life, yours included, is worth protecting under law?


Before I go down this rabbit hole, would you be honest enough to at least admit that there is actually no argument I could make that would flip your opinion here...?

That way I can move on and get back to work.
Posted by ManBearTiger
BRLA
Member since Jun 2007
22299 posts
Posted on 9/14/15 at 7:54 am to
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on what basis do you support the notion that any life, yours included, is worth protecting under law?


I want to live, other people want to live, killing is bad mmmkay.


I guess some of us just understand these things and don't need to believe in a fairy-tale to prevent us from doing bad stuff to other people.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
79644 posts
Posted on 9/14/15 at 7:54 am to
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Some people are physically incapable of committing suicide.


So this is an anti-discrimination law

in that case, I'm sure it will be well received
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
69377 posts
Posted on 9/14/15 at 7:56 am to
If you can kill the babies you don't want, why not the parents or grandparents you don't want either
Posted by runningTiger
Member since Apr 2014
3029 posts
Posted on 9/14/15 at 7:56 am to
are you willing to admit that copyright laws dont matter to you and you profited off LSU's copyrighted images and slogans in the past?

the fundamental documents of American law state that the right to any life is endowed by God and God alone.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
29118 posts
Posted on 9/14/15 at 7:57 am to
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Before I go down this rabbit hole


Don't waste your time. It's TulaneLSU.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
179020 posts
Posted on 9/14/15 at 7:57 am to
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I feel like I'm taking crazy pills



runningTiger is just a troll. He trolls the rant with stupid shite and I guess the OT now. Just ignore him so he'll go back to the rant.
This post was edited on 9/14/15 at 8:02 am
Posted by TJRibMe
Houston, Mexas
Member since Sep 2004
5222 posts
Posted on 9/14/15 at 7:57 am to
Right to die is an interesting phrasing, no doubt. You're probably more accurate to refer to it as an obligation to die. Therein lies the problem.
This post was edited on 9/14/15 at 7:59 am
Posted by ManBearTiger
BRLA
Member since Jun 2007
22299 posts
Posted on 9/14/15 at 7:58 am to
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the fundamental documents of American law state that the right to any life is endowed by God and God alone.



wut
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49475 posts
Posted on 9/14/15 at 7:59 am to
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the fundamental documents of American law state that the right to any life is endowed by God and God alone.


My native American people and I call that hypocritical.
Posted by makinskrilla
Lafayette, LA
Member since Jun 2009
9752 posts
Posted on 9/14/15 at 7:59 am to
I don't support it. Another fundamental devaluation of human life.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
71788 posts
Posted on 9/14/15 at 7:59 am to
As long as it's the person's choice I'm ok with it. There is danger here though. Once this becomes accepted practice the issue of those who cannot make their own decision comes up. At that point we've opened the door to having others make that decision for them. What I don't want to see is where we get to a point where we have a full blown euthinasia (spelling?) program where some panel decided who can live and who should die.
This post was edited on 9/14/15 at 8:01 am
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
43776 posts
Posted on 9/14/15 at 8:02 am to
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California passes "Right to Die"/Assisted Suicide Bill - Do you support?


100%. I think that is one of the things the socialist or progressice medical systems of Europe got right. At a certain point you have think of quality of life and dying with dignity is doing a whole lot less harm than making a terminal pt wait it out IMO.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49475 posts
Posted on 9/14/15 at 8:02 am to
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As long as it's the person's choice I'm ok with it. There is danger here though. Once this becomes accepted practice the issue of those who cannot make their own decision comes up. At that point we've opened the door to having others make that decision for them.


Hey we have a death penalty.

People have to be convinced and a judge has to sign off on it.
Posted by runningTiger
Member since Apr 2014
3029 posts
Posted on 9/14/15 at 8:02 am to
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Once this becomes accepted practice the issue of those who cannot make their own decision comes up. At that point we've opened the door to having others make that decision for them. What I don't want to see is where we get to a point where we have a full blown eutinasia


this line has already been crossed with Roe v Wade. fully conscience, living humans do not have the right to life in America so long as they are living inside the womb of another.

this notion of choice of life is absurd. it is based not on American notions of liberty, which are always in legal documents, subsumed by notions of the right to life, but based instead on the notion of might is right.

civilizations that adhere to might is right philosophical roots die very quickly.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 9/14/15 at 8:10 am to
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So this is an anti-discrimination law


One could make that argument, sure.

The fact remains that there are those whose situation is such that they simply could not physically commit suicide if they wanted to.

For many, it's hard to imagine what that's like...which is really part of the problem. The complete inability to empathize with the plight of someone who's suffering. The irony there is that most of the opposition comes from those who profess to care the most about them...

I'll get personal for a second. I have a handicapped older sister. She was injured on a car accident 35 years ago at the age of 20. Beautiful girl, bright future...gone. For 35 years she's been trapped in a body that over the years has slowly withered from being able to move around in an electric wheel chair, to being unable to sit long enough in the chair because of pressure ulcers, to now being totally bedridden in a bed which has a mattress that is a powder which is fluidized to help prevent pressure spots...which still does not work enough to keep them at bay. 5 years ago she added a vent which took away her ability to make sounds when she speaks so we've learned o read her lips. And the best part...despite being paralyzed from the mid-chest down, her cord was not severed entirely so she has regained some feeling over the years in her extremities but no movement...so she gets the benefit of feeling her frozen joints and general pain caused by pressure ulcers and the like. And since she's nearly on her back and has little dexterity on her arms, she can no longer feed her self. When you ask her, she'll tell you that on a pain scale of 1 to 10 she's at a 7 or more all day that goes up from time to time depending on what's going on.

Somehow...this woman has found reasons to go on every day. It's incredible. But if/when the day comes she can no longer endure, the thought of people standing in her way and forcing her to continue to endure what 99.9% of people could not tolerate for a day is insane.

You're suggesting that she should simply commit suicide...but considering she could not do it herself, is she just out of luck?
Posted by Barf
EBR
Member since Feb 2015
3727 posts
Posted on 9/14/15 at 8:11 am to
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As long as it's the person's choice I'm ok with it. There is danger here though. Once this becomes accepted practice the issue of those who cannot make their own decision comes up. At that point we've opened the door to having others make that decision for them. What I don't want to see is where we get to a point where we have a full blown euthinasia (spelling?) program where some panel decided who can live and who should die.


They already have this available in Oregon and have had for a while. There is a very good documentary about a woman who moved to Oregon so she could die in peace while she was still able to choose for herself. There is a system in place to keep people from trying to dose granny to get her insurance money.

To deny someone the ability to choose makes you an a-hole. If someone is going to die a slow horrible death, they should be able to check out while they are still able to wipe their on arse.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 9/14/15 at 8:11 am to
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As long as it's the person's choice I'm ok with it. There is danger here though. Once this becomes accepted practice the issue of those who cannot make their own decision comes up. At that point we've opened the door to having others make that decision for them. What I don't want to see is where we get to a point where we have a full blown euthinasia (spelling?) program where some panel decided who can live and who should die.


It has worked fine in Oregon, and it has been going for almost 20 years now I think.

It isn't used very often. Stats from Wiki:

quote:

From the act's passage through 2014, a total of 1,327 people have had prescriptions written and 859 patients have died from ingesting medications prescribed under the act.[5] The median age of the 859 patients who died from ingesting medication was 71, with 78.0 percent of patients suffering from malignant neoplasms (cancer). Of the 859, 52.7% were male (47.3% female); 45.9% had a Baccalaureate degree or higher; 46.1% were married; primary end of life concerns were loss of autonomy (91.5%), inability to make life enjoyable (88.7%), and loss of dignity (79.3%).[6]
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25424 posts
Posted on 9/14/15 at 8:15 am to
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runningTiger


Ignoring grey area and the actual point of contention of an argument is a fine way to pretend that your side of an argument is indisputably right. Or a frustrating way to troll. frick off.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 9/14/15 at 8:22 am to
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are you willing to admit that copyright laws dont matter to you and you profited off LSU's copyrighted images and slogans in the past?


Holy shite...well, seems like we have an old timer from Tiger Roar, right?

I'd be happy to address that.

No...that is inaccurate. The issue I ran into with LSU was pretty simple. I was producing t-shirt designs with GEAUX TIGERS on them for Cafe Press. I was also using my Tiger Roar handle of Geaux Tiger as the "brand" so to speak so that members would associate the designs with the stuff I was doing on the board. As LSU did not have that trademarked at the time (I researched) I felt confident that it would not be an issue.

There were no other things used. No logos, no photos, no names...nothing. I'm in advertising...this wasn't done blindly. I thought what I was using was completely open to use.

LSU saw the designs and took issue with the use of Geaux in connection with the word TIGERS and asked that I stop. I asked them about its use for various LA highs schools and their response was tepid. They also had an issue with the use of the word TIGERS being used in conjunction with the colors PURPLE and GOLD, which was complete horseshite...but at that point it was clear it was going to be more trouble than it was worth, and in the end I never had any intention of stepping on LSU's toes, so I stopped entirely. They even said they'd have no issues with me continuing to use the name GEAUX GRAPHICS and doing what I wanted, but I simple moved on. It was supposed to be fun and became a headache.

Was that supposed to out me or something? There's literally no story to that story...but good work trying to make an issue out of that.

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the fundamental documents of American law state that the right to any life is endowed by God and God alone.


Honestly...after the above, you can go frick yourself. Anyone that would try what you just did is not exactly and honest player... Hopefully all that read this will see what you tried an see you for what you are.
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