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CA killed everything in the river removing the Klamath River Dam to save the salmon.

Posted on 3/4/24 at 7:45 pm
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
30194 posts
Posted on 3/4/24 at 7:45 pm
Idiots!!

quote:

‘Everything, every living mollusk, crawdad, turtle, fish, insect in and along the river is DEAD!’

By Katy Grimes, February 29, 2024 10:00 am

This is the third article in a series about the Klamath Dam Removal project in Siskiyou County: This is the First; This is the second.

In 2018, plans were released to destroy the Klamath River dam system by American Rivers, an environmental non-profit which claims “up to 85% of the dams in this country are unnecessary, harmful and even dangerous.” The removal of dams along the Klamath River in Siskiyou County, Northern California was sold as necessary to save salmon – specifically, “to restore habitat for endangered fish.”

The dams are part of the Klamath project, a series of seven dams built 1910 to 1920 in the Klamath Basin to bring electricity and agricultural water mitigation for Southern Oregon and Northern California, the Globe reported in 2020.

Emotions run high on both sides of the dam destruction issue. The Globe wants to know why the Klamath Dams are being removed, and who is behind it?

As Fox reported, “Newsom supports a 2016 agreement under which PacifiCorp would transfer its federal hydroelectric licenses for the dams to a nonprofit coalition, the Klamath River Renewal Corp., that was formed to oversee the demolition.

“PacifiCorp ratepayers in Oregon and California are contributing $200 million for the project but the plan allows the utility to avoid liability for additional costs. Another $250 million would come from a 2014 voter-approved California water bond.”

However, the 2014 voter-approved water bond was passed by voters to build more water storage in the state. The initiative was aimed at increasing the supply of clean, safe, and reliable water and “restoring habitat” – not the destruction of it.

According to the California Legislative Analyst’s Office:

The proposition provides a total of $7.5 billion in general obligation bonds for various water–related programs. Some of the larger allocations include $2.7 billion for water storage projects and $1.5 billion for watershed protection and restoration projects.

The original 2008 agreement for dam removal was between four parties—PacifiCorp, the federal government, California, and Oregon—to remove the four dams announced on November 13, 2008, according to “Historic’ dam removal decision,” reporting in the Mount Shasta Herald. “PacifiCorp ratepayers would fund part of the plan and the State of California would fund much of the remaining projected cost. Total cost would be around $800 million.”

It appears what Gov. Newsom did on his own was to commit California taxpayers to paying for the removal of the dams, while facilitating Warren Buffett’s PacifiCorps energy provider out of legal liability.

The Globe reported in 2020:

Governor Newsom’s appeal implored Buffett to back the demolition project to save the salmon populations that many Native American tribes in the area rely on. “The river is sick, and the Klamath Basin tribes are suffering,” said Newsom in his letter. “The Klamath dam removals are a shining example of what we can accomplish when we act according to our values.”

Feigning concern for the salmon and tribes, Newsom facilitated the destruction of one of California’s largest rivers and the draining of giant reservoirs. In his letter to Buffett, Newsom said dam destruction could also revive salmon populations for regional Native American tribes that rely on salmon fishing.

But did he have to kill thousands of fish to “save” the salmon?




https://californiaglobe.com/articles/is-californias-klamath-river-dam-removal-a-ghoulish-experiment/
Posted by cbree88
South Louisiana
Member since Feb 2010
5197 posts
Posted on 3/4/24 at 7:45 pm to
You can’t fix stupid. California is doomed.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
34151 posts
Posted on 3/4/24 at 7:46 pm to
If it saves one life.

Dumbasses.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
78209 posts
Posted on 3/4/24 at 7:47 pm to
To save the patient first we must kill the patient.
- Every Leftist ever
Posted by Stastny
Member since Jul 2014
639 posts
Posted on 3/4/24 at 7:47 pm to
It’s been doomed since the 80s.
Posted by fricket
Member since Aug 2019
811 posts
Posted on 3/4/24 at 7:51 pm to
Posted by RTM4
Pflugerville
Member since Apr 2018
1484 posts
Posted on 3/4/24 at 7:58 pm to
Wow what a cluster F!! Could not happen to a better state as they so deserve it by what they elect.

I don't hate Cali, just their stupid politics.
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
12288 posts
Posted on 3/4/24 at 7:59 pm to
Nothing like liberals to pick and choose species winners…. Sucks that we are on the disposable side of their species list.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
35914 posts
Posted on 3/4/24 at 8:12 pm to
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while facilitating Warren Buffett’s PacifiCorps energy provider out of legal liability.

All of that bs environmental rhetoric was to achieve this. Most leftists have zero clue about the actual environment, as they live in crowded urban hellholes.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
53412 posts
Posted on 3/4/24 at 8:15 pm to
The problem with drastically altering Nature is that you can't just flip a switch and have everything go back to the way it was. Those dams both destroyed and created ecosystems, for better and for worse. What they created isn't (or wasn't) perfect, but it worked well enough to take the time to formulate an actual plan, beyond "Let's blow a hole in them and see what happens."

This disaster is attributable to people wanting a political score so much that they refused to listen to differing opinions. Yes, you desire to do good, but the ecosystems we have now weren't formed overnight, they have been in the works for 100+ years. You can't just undo that on what seems to have amounted to a whim and expect it to go well.

Now, a terribly managed project will cost taxpayers many times more than what it ever should have.

Everyone should read that three part article.
Posted by HeadSlash
TEAM LIVE BADASS - St. GEORGE
Member since Aug 2006
49462 posts
Posted on 3/4/24 at 8:36 pm to
What are the salmon supposed to eat?
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
64329 posts
Posted on 3/4/24 at 8:37 pm to
The problem with leftist ideas is they’re all based on delusion, fantasy, and emotion but there is this thing called reality that invariably gets in the way.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
48599 posts
Posted on 3/4/24 at 8:39 pm to
quote:

All of that bs environmental rhetoric was to achieve this. Most leftists have zero clue about the actual environment, as they live in crowded urban hellholes.


Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
14459 posts
Posted on 3/4/24 at 10:34 pm to
I think the shady parts comes from where the company knew that they would have to remediate/remove contaminated sediment of the lake/reservoir. They washed a ton of it downstream and now they have a nice dry bottom to remediate.

Obviously corrupt considering they did this after getting a waiver for liability.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
94670 posts
Posted on 3/4/24 at 10:52 pm to
quote:

Now, a terribly managed project will cost taxpayers many times more than what it ever should have.


This is a feature, not a bug, to people in government.

It means a continued need for them to be dealing with a problem.
Posted by Ghost of Colby
Alberta, overlooking B.C.
Member since Jan 2009
11127 posts
Posted on 3/4/24 at 11:52 pm to
quote:

Most leftists have zero clue about the actual environment, as they live in crowded urban hellholes.

This Klamath River clusterf-ck is what happens when they get their way.

Clueless, but it’s never really about the environment. It’s about getting over on the mean men, while billionaires like Warren Buffett turn out to be the protected species.
Posted by HerkFlyer
Auburn, AL
Member since Jan 2018
2992 posts
Posted on 3/4/24 at 11:59 pm to
This was set in motion during WWII when the dams were built. It was always going to be a clusterfrick. The dams are really hard on salmon. I have no Idea what the right answer is.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
53412 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 12:15 am to
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I have no Idea what the right answer is.

There really isn't one. There are better answers, though.

The dams created a new ecosystem that was going to take a hit regardless. Essentially blowing the dams without a good plan to manage the fallout was just incompetence and I suspect a good dose of hubris. We have a long history of thinking we know what is best for Nature only to wind up getting royally fricked by those best intentions.
Posted by HerkFlyer
Auburn, AL
Member since Jan 2018
2992 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 1:02 am to
quote:

The dams created a new ecosystem that was going to take a hit regardless. Essentially blowing the dams without a good plan to manage the fallout was just incompetence and I suspect a good dose of hubris. We have a long history of thinking we know what is best for Nature only to wind up getting royally fricked by those best intentions.


My response was lazy, I should have expounded. I agree with this 100%
Posted by Turnblad85
Member since Sep 2022
1101 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 2:14 am to
Can't sleep so I read the 3 articles. What was the best solution here? To just not remove the dams? Seems like the lakes were pretty silted already. Or was it to remove the silt by dredging at huge cost and considerable environment damage and then removing the dams? IIRC the amount of sediment quoted in the article is "6 lane hiway 8 feet deep for 100 miles". That's a shitton of material to remove mechanically.

The line "‘Everything, every living mollusk, crawdad, turtle, fish, insect in and along the river is DEAD!’" and also the most quoted person is a guy named William Something who is a "resident" of the area.

Really the series of articles, from the obviously biased website, seemed like a lot of bellyaching from some people who wanted the dams to stay.

And hasn't this been done a few times before in the PNW to old dams where they bust it and sediment goes everywhere but a few years later it cleans itself out?


I'm not sure this situation doesn't suck one way or another.
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