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re: Brother of JonBenet Ramsey reaches settlement with CBS in a $750 Million lawsuit
Posted on 1/6/19 at 11:36 am to Wolfhound45
Posted on 1/6/19 at 11:36 am to Wolfhound45
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Wolfhound45
That site is stupid, I don’t think anyone believes that Burke killed her and covered it up. Most believe he killed her and the parents covered it up.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 11:38 am to Epic Cajun
The site does not say the brother killed her and then he covered it up. It pretty clearly lays out that she was killed by a member of the family and the parents covered it up.
This post was edited on 1/6/19 at 11:39 am
Posted on 1/6/19 at 12:33 pm to East Coast Band
I was there. I know many people involved. The Ramsey’s closest friends were also my friends at the time. I spent the next Christmas with names you would recognize talking about it. I have talked about it on this board for 15 years. It’s the topic that annoys me the most because I “ lived it “ and knew people and places.
A few thoughts (fwiw) :
LEO rules Burke out. Nobody that actually knows Burke finds it feasible.And his weirdness is “ on the scale “ not sociopathic. Statistically sibling murder is very rare. At that age, exceedingly rare, almost non-existent. And he WAS interviewed and anybody that knew him AT THAT TIME found it silly on it’s face.
Burke was not “ whisked away “. He was sensibility removed from the crime scene. Within hours there were crowds outside the house and within days there were news crews. Living nearby, I will tell you it was crazy.
Boulder cops are incompetent. Murder was rare. It was a boutique town, not a “ murder “ town. The investigation is worse than even the harshest critics say. Incompetent.
Boulder DA is/was equally incompetent.
The spotlight was on The Ramsey’s from Day One. Peter Boyle’s radio show basically became a daily anti- Ramsey family rant. The feeling that the family did it was there from day one. Access Graphic ( Ramsey’s company ) on Pearl Street Mall has cameras in front every day and reporters were in every coffee shop. It was a zoo.
The ransom note has always and will always be the center of the case. It begins and ends with the weirdness of that note. It points to a family coverup for numerous reasons. It however was not “ clearly “ in Patsy’s handwriting although it has undeniable feminine language and phrasing in it.
The horribly macabre way the body was treated is indicative of it NOT being a family member. Loved ones DISPOSE of a body , they do not handle the body in such a ghoulish manner. Particularly since there is speculation that she was alive when restrained and garrote.
Meanwhile, The weirdness of the note and it’s odd intimacy is indicative of it being a family member. So the contradiction.
Nobody in the family had a motive. Unless you accept the complete speculative idea that a family member ( Burke ) accidentally killed her.
There is undeniable aspects of a torture killing, which is almost statistically negligible with family members. Especially a father who had already raised two kids to adulthood. John Ramsey is considered by those who know him to be as vanilla boring as it gets by the way. Milquetoast. The bindings and garrote speak to a VERY specific psychosexual psychology. Not a family coverup for many reasons.
The beauty queen stuff is weird. The sexualization Of children is weird. The amount of weirdos attracted to that stuff and that came in contact with Jon Benet is incredibly high.
The DNA “evidence” is overwhelmingly likely to be a dead end.
The entire case is a shitepile of complete contradictions. I don’t presume to convince anybody of anything- I just ask you that you challenge whatever assumptyou have with the facts of the case. If it was easy it would have been solved. IMHO, It will never be solved unless there is a confession.
A few thoughts (fwiw) :
LEO rules Burke out. Nobody that actually knows Burke finds it feasible.And his weirdness is “ on the scale “ not sociopathic. Statistically sibling murder is very rare. At that age, exceedingly rare, almost non-existent. And he WAS interviewed and anybody that knew him AT THAT TIME found it silly on it’s face.
Burke was not “ whisked away “. He was sensibility removed from the crime scene. Within hours there were crowds outside the house and within days there were news crews. Living nearby, I will tell you it was crazy.
Boulder cops are incompetent. Murder was rare. It was a boutique town, not a “ murder “ town. The investigation is worse than even the harshest critics say. Incompetent.
Boulder DA is/was equally incompetent.
The spotlight was on The Ramsey’s from Day One. Peter Boyle’s radio show basically became a daily anti- Ramsey family rant. The feeling that the family did it was there from day one. Access Graphic ( Ramsey’s company ) on Pearl Street Mall has cameras in front every day and reporters were in every coffee shop. It was a zoo.
The ransom note has always and will always be the center of the case. It begins and ends with the weirdness of that note. It points to a family coverup for numerous reasons. It however was not “ clearly “ in Patsy’s handwriting although it has undeniable feminine language and phrasing in it.
The horribly macabre way the body was treated is indicative of it NOT being a family member. Loved ones DISPOSE of a body , they do not handle the body in such a ghoulish manner. Particularly since there is speculation that she was alive when restrained and garrote.
Meanwhile, The weirdness of the note and it’s odd intimacy is indicative of it being a family member. So the contradiction.
Nobody in the family had a motive. Unless you accept the complete speculative idea that a family member ( Burke ) accidentally killed her.
There is undeniable aspects of a torture killing, which is almost statistically negligible with family members. Especially a father who had already raised two kids to adulthood. John Ramsey is considered by those who know him to be as vanilla boring as it gets by the way. Milquetoast. The bindings and garrote speak to a VERY specific psychosexual psychology. Not a family coverup for many reasons.
The beauty queen stuff is weird. The sexualization Of children is weird. The amount of weirdos attracted to that stuff and that came in contact with Jon Benet is incredibly high.
The DNA “evidence” is overwhelmingly likely to be a dead end.
The entire case is a shitepile of complete contradictions. I don’t presume to convince anybody of anything- I just ask you that you challenge whatever assumptyou have with the facts of the case. If it was easy it would have been solved. IMHO, It will never be solved unless there is a confession.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 12:54 pm to Lsupimp
Very well written and informative post! 
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:04 pm to Lsupimp
Lsupimp.. so what is your opinion of who did it?
Also what do the people close to the case that you were around, what was/ their impression and do you still talk to these people and is it a topic of conversation even now ?
Also what do the people close to the case that you were around, what was/ their impression and do you still talk to these people and is it a topic of conversation even now ?
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:12 pm to Lsupimp
Appreciate your input. I understand your viewpoint. It just doesn't seem like a "normal" type murder. Whatever the ultimate reason for her death is "rare" because of all of the circumstances.
Murders do happen all over the country, but also they tend to happen in high crime areas, etc. So it is hard to wrap your head around scene like this one. Almost like the sky is green and the grass blue.
Let me explain a sense I had on an even more notorious crime, the Nicole Brown/ Ron Goldman murders. I, along with many others, immediately thought OJ did it. I still hold this belief today. However, the one and only time I went to that part of LA, occurred about a year after the murders, but before the verdict. I recall my feelings driving through OJ's very nice neighborhood and over to Nicole's nice condo and thought that there was no way he could have done this. It's just hard to think crimes like this occur by people living in these affluent areas. But they do.
Although not exactly the same, but similar in that the perpetrator didn't appear "typical" are the cases of the BTK killer and Ted Bundy.
Back to the Ramsey case, it is hard to accept that a family member did to JonBenet what ultimately did happen. But, who else could have possibly done it? Any psycho, etc. type person just doesn't make any sense with the EVIDENCE that was at the scene. The ransom note just cannot be discounted. The fact that that ws no sign of forcible entry, etc. cannot be discounted. The fact that the body was found in the house cannot be discounted.
As hard it is to fathom an allegedly upstanding parent doing this to their own child, it is harder to think that someone would get into house, abduct JonBenet, kill her using implements from the house, then go hide her deep in the house, then take the time to write a THREE PAGE ransom note in your own handwriting, giving odd demands, and then escape with no intention on following up on this ransom demands.
If JonBenet had been found murdered in the house without the note, it may have been more believable that someone outside the house did this.
I don't know. I just need something tangible I could put on it being someone outside the family who committed the murder other than statistical odds.
Murders do happen all over the country, but also they tend to happen in high crime areas, etc. So it is hard to wrap your head around scene like this one. Almost like the sky is green and the grass blue.
Let me explain a sense I had on an even more notorious crime, the Nicole Brown/ Ron Goldman murders. I, along with many others, immediately thought OJ did it. I still hold this belief today. However, the one and only time I went to that part of LA, occurred about a year after the murders, but before the verdict. I recall my feelings driving through OJ's very nice neighborhood and over to Nicole's nice condo and thought that there was no way he could have done this. It's just hard to think crimes like this occur by people living in these affluent areas. But they do.
Although not exactly the same, but similar in that the perpetrator didn't appear "typical" are the cases of the BTK killer and Ted Bundy.
Back to the Ramsey case, it is hard to accept that a family member did to JonBenet what ultimately did happen. But, who else could have possibly done it? Any psycho, etc. type person just doesn't make any sense with the EVIDENCE that was at the scene. The ransom note just cannot be discounted. The fact that that ws no sign of forcible entry, etc. cannot be discounted. The fact that the body was found in the house cannot be discounted.
As hard it is to fathom an allegedly upstanding parent doing this to their own child, it is harder to think that someone would get into house, abduct JonBenet, kill her using implements from the house, then go hide her deep in the house, then take the time to write a THREE PAGE ransom note in your own handwriting, giving odd demands, and then escape with no intention on following up on this ransom demands.
If JonBenet had been found murdered in the house without the note, it may have been more believable that someone outside the house did this.
I don't know. I just need something tangible I could put on it being someone outside the family who committed the murder other than statistical odds.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:26 pm to East Coast Band
A TV show can put a spin on anything and , watch An Innocent Man.
If there was evidence he would have been charged and not paid 750M
If there was evidence he would have been charged and not paid 750M
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:32 pm to The Torch
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If there was evidence he would have been charged
Because guilty people NEVER get off.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:41 pm to Lawyered
I believe (as opposed to know) that it was a stranger psychosexual murder. A stranger to the family, motivated for specific sexual desires having to do with binding and garroting a child.I believe that because of the preponderance of the evidence, not on any personal affiliation, and not with any degree of provability. I am familiar with all the STRONG evidence to the contrary, much of it quite convincing. Particularly the ransom note. When I first read it, I thought "a woman wrote that". When I learned it was written in-house and on a pad of paper fund in house I thought "Patsy did that".
But then after all the smoke settled and I read the autopsy report and familiarized myself with the principles of the case, I was left with a basic question:
The weirdness of the ransom note versus the weirdness of the actual murder? Remember, she died of asphyxiation. Thought to be as long as an hour after the blow to the head which incapacitated her. She suffered. She was likely moaning and in great distress. Possibly her life could have been saved. Boulder hospital is 2 left turns from their driveway.
Using Occam's razor (or forensic psychology if you prefer), you find your daughter dying, now place yourself in the parent's shoes. Do you call the cops ? I mean, if it was Burke, you hire the best lawyer, he faces no jail time and you move on. Or you stage the most bizarre scenario imaginable that includes garroting and torturing your own beloved daughter to death.
Remember now, if you wanted to stage a kidnapping it would take less than 15 minutes to carry her body out, drive up Flagstaff Mountain and leave her body somewhere where it would not be found for days. You could carry her body, dispose of it, and be back in fifteen minutes. You have a back alley in your house, it's the middle of the night, nobody would possibly see you.
Instead you write the note, garrote your child in the most heinous way and leave her lying down there in the most cold and grotesque way? The same daughter you obviously loved and cherished ?
Meanwhile ALL the hallmarks of a specific psychsexual ideation exist in the crime scene. The manner of death. The public nature of the victim with the beauty pageants. The rarity of a garotte being used in strangulation. The unusual bindings. All this speaks to a specific "fetishization" of both victim and manner of death. It was very BTK-like, there is really nothing in the literature to find other examples of similar RITUALISTIC parent-child murder outside of very rare schizophrenia or cult examples.
And yet the ransom note.....because if you believe Patsy wrote the note there is no other explanation. So again, it all comes back to that note.
But then after all the smoke settled and I read the autopsy report and familiarized myself with the principles of the case, I was left with a basic question:
The weirdness of the ransom note versus the weirdness of the actual murder? Remember, she died of asphyxiation. Thought to be as long as an hour after the blow to the head which incapacitated her. She suffered. She was likely moaning and in great distress. Possibly her life could have been saved. Boulder hospital is 2 left turns from their driveway.
Using Occam's razor (or forensic psychology if you prefer), you find your daughter dying, now place yourself in the parent's shoes. Do you call the cops ? I mean, if it was Burke, you hire the best lawyer, he faces no jail time and you move on. Or you stage the most bizarre scenario imaginable that includes garroting and torturing your own beloved daughter to death.
Remember now, if you wanted to stage a kidnapping it would take less than 15 minutes to carry her body out, drive up Flagstaff Mountain and leave her body somewhere where it would not be found for days. You could carry her body, dispose of it, and be back in fifteen minutes. You have a back alley in your house, it's the middle of the night, nobody would possibly see you.
Instead you write the note, garrote your child in the most heinous way and leave her lying down there in the most cold and grotesque way? The same daughter you obviously loved and cherished ?
Meanwhile ALL the hallmarks of a specific psychsexual ideation exist in the crime scene. The manner of death. The public nature of the victim with the beauty pageants. The rarity of a garotte being used in strangulation. The unusual bindings. All this speaks to a specific "fetishization" of both victim and manner of death. It was very BTK-like, there is really nothing in the literature to find other examples of similar RITUALISTIC parent-child murder outside of very rare schizophrenia or cult examples.
And yet the ransom note.....because if you believe Patsy wrote the note there is no other explanation. So again, it all comes back to that note.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 2:05 pm to East Coast Band
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hitting JonBenet with a golf club
didn't realize they were related to the Kennedys
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