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re: BR smoking ban fails
Posted on 4/14/16 at 4:09 pm to LSU alum wannabe
Posted on 4/14/16 at 4:09 pm to LSU alum wannabe
Smokers like to pretend their second hand smoke doesn't harm others. Their kids, their friends, etc. It's sad and selfish, not to mention ignorant.
More people are non smokers these days than smokers. To the person making the SJW argument about the minority affecting the majority, what say you now?
Also, the number of people in this thread who don't understand the difference between affect and effect is too damn high.
More people are non smokers these days than smokers. To the person making the SJW argument about the minority affecting the majority, what say you now?
Also, the number of people in this thread who don't understand the difference between affect and effect is too damn high.
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 4:12 pm to Mo Jeaux
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I lol at the arguments being made as if they are somehow novel. They have been made in every other jurisdiction where bans have been put into place, and the bars have survived.
Oh, definitely. Existing bars usually do OK after smoking bans go into effect, and some even do better. It creates a barrier to entry for new competition, which is always a good thing for the already established players. Sucks for customers and for entrepreneurs who would like to break into the market, but hey, a few busybodies get to piss on other people's fun and feel holier than thou, so it's all good.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 4:15 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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Going to public places is a right.
Bars are private businesses. You have no right to be in them other than the owner allows you to. If being in a bar was a right then you wouldnt be able to tell people to leave the premises or that you are not allowed to come back, but that is allowed because its a private business on private or commercial property
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hat is a crappy bar then. If it is not a crappy bar, as I've said, patrons will protest for a week or so. But regulars are regulars for a reason. They'll be back.
They arent leaving the bar. Our regulars have come for years. You are however displacing them from the bar and sticking them in the parking lot to smoke, which leads to diminished sales no matter how you swing it.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 4:15 pm to cwil177
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Smokers like to pretend their second hand smoke doesn't harm others
I just want to know how harmful it is. I think "studies" can be biased towards the thinking of the person who is conducting the study. You mentioned scientist earlier...why don't they all agree on global warming?
I think it is ignorant to believe a study just because it fits your agenda and ignoring ones that don't. I take them with a grain of salt but I am not an idiot.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 4:15 pm to cwil177
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More people are non smokers these days than smokers. To the person making the SJW argument about the minority affecting the majority, what say you now?
I say nobody ever in the history of the fricking world has tried to pass a law saying all bars had to allow smoking. I say let the fricking bars decide whether to prohibit smoking based on what's best for their business.
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Smokers like to pretend their second hand smoke doesn't harm others. Their kids, their friends, etc. It's sad and selfish, not to mention ignorant.
No, it's just that putting one millionth as much toxin into the air over a lifetime as one car does in a day is such a minor thing that it's fricking ridiculous that a bunch of do-gooder nazis completely lose their shite over it.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 4:15 pm to cwil177
What about adults that have asthma?
Shouldn't they have a right to also be able to go to a bar and enjoy drinks with friends? A smoky bar is harmful to some people with asthma or certain allergies.
Shouldn't they have a right to also be able to go to a bar and enjoy drinks with friends? A smoky bar is harmful to some people with asthma or certain allergies.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 4:16 pm to Tigerpaw123
Good for Baton Rouge and personal liberties
New Orleans got this wrong while br got it right
New Orleans got this wrong while br got it right
Posted on 4/14/16 at 4:18 pm to Topwater Trout
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I think "studies" can be biased towards the thinking of the person who is conducting the study
Unquestionably true. Research on the harms of smoking was intentionally falsified by tobacco companies for decades, then by government and anti-smoking advocates for decades since. There probably isn't a single "scientific" study on the harms of second hand smoke that is worth the paper it is written on, regardless of its findings either for against the proposition that it is significantly harmful to others.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 4:19 pm to lsunurse
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What about adults that have asthma?
Lets ban wool...some adults are allergic to wool
Posted on 4/14/16 at 4:19 pm to lsunurse
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Shouldn't they have a right to also be able to go to a bar and enjoy drinks with friends?
SHouldnt both smokers and non smokes have the same right to CHOOSE what kind of bar they can go to? The ability to choose is what makes this country great.
and again going to a bar is not a fricking right.
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What about adults that have asthma?
They can CHOOSE to go down the street to the bar that doesnt allow smoking
This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 4/14/16 at 4:19 pm to lsunurse
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What about adults that have asthma?
Shouldn't they have a right to also be able to go to a bar and enjoy drinks with friends?
Yes, they absolutely should. And, since they don't want to be around smoke, they would be well advised to CHOOSE one of the many bars that CHOOSE not to allow people to smoke inside.
This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 4/14/16 at 4:22 pm to Nuts4LSU
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There probably isn't a single "scientific" study on the harms of second hand smoke that is worth the paper it is written on, regardless of its findings either for against the proposition that it is significantly harmful to others.
Everyone has an agenda and there is a study to support them
Posted on 4/14/16 at 4:24 pm to LSU alum wannabe
quote:You walk into someone's business where almost everyone is smoking, and you think you're more important than everyone else?
Going to public places is a right
You can go outside. You can go to another bar. That's called freedom of choice. So now you're the only one to get freedom of choice and the other patrons and bartenders/owners don't? Sounds like a SJW mentality to me.
Nobody tied you down and drug you into a smokey bar. Keep in mind the fact that YOU were the one who walked into that bar.
Like I was telling MJ earlier....I personally know bars that have been negatively affected by the ban.
Pros:
Nobody is making your clothes smell
Let's be honest, you're not gonna get cancer from spending 3 hours in a bar once a month
Cons:
Less people buying shots
People buying less shots
People buying less drinks
People not playing video poker
People not playing pool
Fines from people being too loud outside
Doormen have to constantly check and recheck IDs, but inevitibly, underaged kids get in
Bars have open-door policies or have turned off their buzzers (danger of getting robbed)
This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 4/14/16 at 4:25 pm to cwil177
These people getting so hostile over this 
Most states don't allow smoking in bars. Society as a whole doesn't like smoking and these laws reflect that.
If they allowed people to smoke in bars here I would still go. Don't really care. Again..just saying that the smoking bans are not the end of bars. Even hole in the wall bars here in AZ are still thriving. They have adapted (smoking rooms/patios, etc). Btw...you can still drink on these patios/rooms...and most of the patios have bars located in them that you can still sit at and smoke. So it's not like you are leaving your drink to go smoke.
Most states don't allow smoking in bars. Society as a whole doesn't like smoking and these laws reflect that.
If they allowed people to smoke in bars here I would still go. Don't really care. Again..just saying that the smoking bans are not the end of bars. Even hole in the wall bars here in AZ are still thriving. They have adapted (smoking rooms/patios, etc). Btw...you can still drink on these patios/rooms...and most of the patios have bars located in them that you can still sit at and smoke. So it's not like you are leaving your drink to go smoke.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 4:25 pm to cwil177
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Smokers like to pretend their second hand smoke doesn't harm others. Their kids, their friends, etc. It's sad and selfish, not to mention ignorant.
I don't think it's healthy, especially people that get prolonged exposure, but I do think the numbers they throw out are insane.
41,280 is the US Lung Association Estimate. Per the CDC 2,597,000 die per year. So you're telling me 1.6% of all deaths in America are from second hand smoke?
Posted on 4/14/16 at 4:27 pm to uway
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So the only casualty was private property?
How so?
Posted on 4/14/16 at 4:28 pm to lsunurse
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How many people get robbed or attacked in covered patios? Patios that can only be accessed by the inside of the bar.
In a large city, only a small fraction of bars have the room or the resources even to build an outdoor area at all, let alone one that had controlled access only from inside the bar. Plus, there's absolutely nothing to stop the city from banning smoking on those, too, so if a bar did happen to have the space and wanted to invest the money, they might be wasting their money.
And a cover over the outdoor patio doesn't help much when it's 15 degrees outside.
Oh, and as for how many have been attacked? Obviously, being outside of a building is inherently less safe and secure than being inside where there are staff on duty providing security.
This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 4/14/16 at 4:29 pm to Nuts4LSU
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It creates a barrier to entry for new competition
No it doesn't. Are new bars breaking into the market by marketing themselves solely to smokers? If so, how does that work when smoking bans are not in place, since other bars already allow smoking? Some of y'all are delusional about this issue.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 4:31 pm to lsunurse
Smoking bans 100% negatively effect some bars. Not having a smoking ban didn't negatively or positively effect any bars.
Most neighborhood bars in New Orleans do not have room for a patio or a bar outside. Plus, they couldn't get a permit to post up on the sidewalk and start making drinks. I know a bar that tried to have a back covered patio. Neighbors complained, and they had to shut it down.
They also get fined when neighbors complain or drunk people are falling all over the street
Most neighborhood bars in New Orleans do not have room for a patio or a bar outside. Plus, they couldn't get a permit to post up on the sidewalk and start making drinks. I know a bar that tried to have a back covered patio. Neighbors complained, and they had to shut it down.
They also get fined when neighbors complain or drunk people are falling all over the street
This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 4/14/16 at 4:31 pm to lsunurse
"Everyone's doin it, so it must be a good idea"
That's your argument? Really?
Not all bars are able to adapt and it's ridiculous to force bars to pay that money to adapt because you want the government to take AWAY a choice for the patrons and for the bar owners. It's insanity. That's why people are so hostile over it. I've never smoked a day In my life, but I know a crime against businesses when I see one.
That's your argument? Really?
Not all bars are able to adapt and it's ridiculous to force bars to pay that money to adapt because you want the government to take AWAY a choice for the patrons and for the bar owners. It's insanity. That's why people are so hostile over it. I've never smoked a day In my life, but I know a crime against businesses when I see one.
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