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re: Botched Death Penalty Stories: NSFW perhaps
Posted on 4/14/17 at 5:01 pm to Sao
Posted on 4/14/17 at 5:01 pm to Sao
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3. Sept. 2, 1983. Mississippi. Jimmy Lee Gray. Asphyxiation. Officials had to clear the room eight minutes after the gas was released when Gray's desperate gasps for air repulsed witnesses. His attorney, Dennis Balske of Montgomery, Alabama, criticized state officials for clearing the room when the inmate was still alive. Said noted death penalty defense attorney David Bruck, "Jimmy Lee Gray died banging his head against a steel pole in the gas chamber while the reporters counted his moans (eleven, according to the Associated Press)."[3] Later it was revealed that the executioner, Barry Bruce, was drunk.
Per New York Times ...
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Mr. Gray, a native of Whittier, Calif., was convicted in 1976 of murdering 3-year-old Deressa Jean Scales. According to law-enforcement officials, he took the girl to a wooded area 30 miles away from her home in Pascagoula, sodomized her, pressed her face into the mud to suffocate her and then threw her body off a bridge. At the time of the kidnapping, he was on parole from an Arizona prison, where he had served seven years of a 20-year sentence for the 1968 slaying of his 16-year-old fiancee. When the crime took place, Mr. Gray had been in the state for less than a year.
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25. March 25, 1997. Florida. Pedro Medina. Electrocution. A crown of foot-high flames shot from the headpiece during the execution, filling the execution chamber with a stench of thick smoke and gagging the two dozen official witnesses. An official then threw a switch to manually cut off the power and prematurely end the two-minute cycle of 2,000 volts. Medina's chest continued to heave until the flames stopped and death came.[39] After the execution, prison officials blamed the fire on a corroded copper screen in the headpiece of the electric chair, but two experts hired by the governor later concluded that the fire was caused by the improper application of a sponge (designed to conduct electricity) to Medina's head.
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Medina came to the United States from Cuba in 1980 as part of the Mariel boatlift when he was nineteen years old. He was released from a Cuban mental hospital immediately before leaving Cuba. Medina lived in the Orlando area and was befriended by Dorothy James. In late 1981, Medina moved to Tampa. James was found dead in her Orlando home on April 4, 1982. She had been gagged, stabbed multiple times, and left to die. Early in the morning of April 8, 1982, Medina was found asleep in James' automobile at a rest stop on I-10 near Lake City and was arrested for theft of the automobile.
While NYNolaguy1 knights for guys like this, I just don't care.
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Posted on 4/14/17 at 5:03 pm to FearTheFish
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Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
That's great, except the death penalty was very much in existence when those words were written.
As far as the manner of botched death penalties, as constitutional rights attach to persons, claims are elusive because, well, it's moot at that point.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 5:04 pm to homesicktiger
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While NYNolaguy1 knights for guys like this
Actually no, but ok.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 5:05 pm to Passing Wind
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think I have more skin in the game than anyone else here kid. I find internet tough guys humorous.
You're basing your argument on emotion. I don't blame you and I would to in your position, as would most. But to base your argument on emotion is both silly and childish.
And you're talking to someone who wants an express lane for the death penalty.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 5:07 pm to beerJeep
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You're basing your argument on emotion. I don't blame you and I would to in your position, as would most. But to base your argument on emotion is both silly and childish.
And you're talking to someone who wants an express lane for the death penalty.
Like I said before I feel like you're the only one that's approached this with any sort of honesty here. Most people shy away from the fact that the death penalty involves messy innocent wetwork.This post was edited on 4/14/17 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 4/14/17 at 5:21 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Like I said before I feel like you're the only one that's approached this with any sort of honesty here. Most people shy away from the fact that the death penalty involves messy innocent wetwork.
You ask for my opinion, you'll get my unedited full opinion. I'm not gonna dance around the edges or try not to hurt people's feelings.
Abortion for example. I support abortion. Not because of women's rights. Not because I don't believe a fetus is a human..
But because poor people have more abortions than rich people, I find it cheaper in the long run for these people to go ahead and abort their kid than have it.
I piss off both sides with that arguement. I piss off the right bc it's killing an "innocent child" and I piss off the left because they see it as a racist or almost eugenics style of belief. When in reality, it's simply a decision made on fiscal reasoning.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 5:22 pm to Sao
Give me a firing squad, and if you find me guilty, expedite the situation. At least I'd know I saved the taxpayer a little bit of coin, and the chance of a botched execution are non-existent.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 5:26 pm to beerJeep
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You're basing your argument on emotion. I don't blame you and I would to in your position, as would most. But to base your argument on emotion is both silly and childish.
Anyone debating for or against the DP who is NOT using emotion as their primary defense is simply being disingenuous. It's impossible. The very crux of a capital trial involves two equally important arguments: Fact based evidence and detail of evidence using visualization.
How can you remove the emotion of a capital trial for either side? It's literally what sells the verdict.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 5:30 pm to Sao
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How can you remove the emotion of a capital trial for either side? It's literally what sells the verdict.
From the trial? You can't. But we aren't talking about the trials.
We're talking about the overall theme of the death sentence. Whether it's humane and acceptable to have the occasional innocent die.
Two completely different topics.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 5:35 pm to Sao
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Anyone debating for or against the DP who is NOT using emotion as their primary defense is simply being disingenuous. It's impossible.
I know, I'd much rather them be in forced labor prison producing something while earning an education of sorts.. If they decided to not produce, well their amenities would drop significantly, as well as their food/water rations. An empty belly is quite the motivator. A little forced love so to speak. Everyone there could learn a trade and marketable skill, and maybe we'd rehabilitate a lot more and do the job their parents failed to do. With any profits made, the proceeds go to the victim's family.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 5:37 pm to beerJeep
Not so, IMO. Any legislative debate will contain the emotional aspects of historical and substantive evidence Pro and Con.
Emotion based arguments are simply unavoidable in almost any type of crime and punishment. Judicial laws and subsequent sentencing levels are based upon the very idea "does the punishment fit the crime".
Posted on 4/14/17 at 5:45 pm to Sao
Good.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 5:46 pm to Sao
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subsequent sentencing levels are based upon the very idea "does the punishment fit the crime"
Once again. We aren't talking about sentencing.
We're talking about is it humane to sentence people to death. And is it acceptable to have the occasional innocent person die.
And there is absolutely a non emotional argument to be made. A fiscal one. Which Is my argument. Under the current system we have with outlandish times from sentencing to execution, the mass amount of red tape and bureaucracy and being forced to accept 10, 15, 20 times by the convicted, we waste a metric arse load of money.
Life in prison is also, at its very core, a waste of money. You're keeping someone alive, who you have to pay for, who provides no goods or services, has zero positive impact on the world, who will DIE IN PRISON ANYWAY. Massive. Massive waste of money and resources.
It is fiscally irresponsible to keep violent offenders alive "just because".
Posted on 4/14/17 at 5:47 pm to Tigerdogz
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Unless it's yours
Well hi emotions. Already went through this. Maybe you should keep reading before responding.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 5:49 pm to NYNolaguy1
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2)You're ok with killing an innocent person every so often. You know, because it's worth it.
This one.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 6:03 pm to AUsteriskPride
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Give me a firing squad, and if you find me guilty, expedite the situation. At least I'd know I saved the taxpayer a little bit of coin, and the chance of a botched execution are non-existent.
You serious?
Wallace Wilkerson
I did find it morbidly amusing that they just took his word at it and didn't strap him down.
This post was edited on 4/14/17 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 4/14/17 at 6:09 pm to TigerstuckinMS
The only botched execution is the one that the prisoner walks out of the chamber and has to be rescheduled for having.
Amounts of shite given for these animals: zero.
Amounts of shite given for these animals: zero.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 6:13 pm to BoardReader
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The only botched execution is the one that the prisoner walks out of the chamber and has to be rescheduled for having.
Louisiana's got one of those.
This post was edited on 4/14/17 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 4/14/17 at 6:16 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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id find it morbidly amusing that they just took his word at it and didn't strap him down.
Smdh. I wouldn't shoot a deer and watch it in pain for 27 minutes. Walk up and put a mercy shot in. Damn.
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