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Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:33 pm to NYNolaguy1
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It always strikes me as a little sad that so many people think our very imperfect judicial system will only convict and execute guilty people.
Came here to post this exact thing. Were all of these people guilty of the crime they were being executed? Probably. Probably isn't good enough though. If even one of them was innocent, then not only did we execute an innocent man, we also tortured him.
I don't know about you, but IMO if we execute 100 people and 99 are guilty and 1 is innocent, then the whole system is flawed. To much politics and agendas to put the power of executing American citizens in the government's hands
This post was edited on 4/14/17 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:34 pm to Sao
Sounds like a party to me.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:38 pm to NYNolaguy1
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It always strikes me as a little sad that so many people think our very imperfect judicial system will only convict and execute guilty people.
It's like they think that either our system is perfect or that killing an occasional innocent person is ok.
if i was innocent and stuck in prison for the rest of my life, i'd rather the death penalty
I don't understand why the executions arent just a bullet to the head. so much cheaper
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:39 pm to Lawyered
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I'm sorry you don't deserve a humane and peaceful death if you murder someone else.
This is interesting for anyone reading and living in Louisiana. From the site, this was reported just Wednesday, 4/12/17
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Louisiana Legislature Considers Bipartisan Measure to Abolish Death Penalty
Senate Bill 142, which would eliminate the death penalty for offenses committed on or after August 1, 2017
Anyone know this?
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:39 pm to Wolf
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I don't know about you, but IMO if we execute 100 people and 99 are guilty and 1 is innocent, then the whole system is flawed. To much politics and agendas to put the power of executing American citizens in the government's hands
No system is perfect. Compensate the family of the wrongfully killed, and bring on the next prisoner to die.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:40 pm to Wolf
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Came here to post this exact thing. Were all of these people guilty of the crime they were being executed? Probably. Probably isn't good enough though. If even one of them was innocent, then not only did we execute an innocent man, we also tortured him.
It's pretty logical. If we have an imperfect system (does anyone disagree?), then the probability of them executing an innocent person is not zero. Over a long enough time span that probability turns into a likelihood. Killing a thousand guilty people isn't worth killing one innocent one.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:42 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Killing a thousand guilty people isn't worth killing one innocent one
Yeah.....
Yeah it is.
Edit: it cost an avg of 30k to house a prisoner for a year. 999x30000= just shy of 30million dollars you save in ONE YEAR.
I'd say that the life of one American is worth less than 30million a year.
This post was edited on 4/14/17 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:44 pm to beerJeep
America has come a long way... 
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That it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer, is a Maxim that has been long and generally approved. -Ben Franklin
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:45 pm to beerJeep
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Yeah.....
Yeah it is.
It always easier to kill innocent people when it's not you or yours.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:45 pm to beerJeep
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Killing a thousand guilty people isn't worth killing one innocent one
Yeah.....
Yeah it is.
First no it's not.
Second, I don't care what someone does to a loved one, I wouldn't want the death penalty sought. That means I have to deal with for the next 20 years rather than move on with my life. It takes this long because we often get it wrong.
Third, we need to just do away with it. The DP is just a money pit that serves no purpose over LWOP.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:48 pm to NYNolaguy1
Emotion is the enemy of logic.
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always easier to kill innocent people when it's not you or yours.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:49 pm to FearTheFish
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cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
is it really cruel and unusual if they did it to somebody else?
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:49 pm to beerJeep
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Yeah.....
Yeah it is.
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No system is perfect. Compensate the family of the wrongfully killed, and bring on the next prisoner to die.
That sounds perfectly reasonable until it's you or someone you care about getting railroaded by a DA who cares nothing about the truth and is just trying to pad their win rate. Compensation doesn't bring the innocent back to life or comfort the grieving families of those wrongfully executed.
It all comes down to whether or not you value the life of the wrongfully murdered the same as the wrongfully executed (or the families of those same people). I do.
ETA: For those of you making the $ argument, consider that a large chunk of that cost is legal fees of those fighting their death sentences. Abolish the DP and the cost for housing them goes way down.
This post was edited on 4/14/17 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:49 pm to beerJeep
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Edit: it cost an avg of 30k to house a prisoner for a year. 999x30000= just shy of 30million dollars you save in ONE YEAR.
Serious question- which do you think is more expensive - the death penalty or life in prison?
This post was edited on 4/14/17 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:52 pm to TigernMS12
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don't care what someone does to a loved one, I wouldn't want the death penalty sought.
Sorry you use emotions to make decisions.
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That means I have to deal with for the next 20 years rather than move on with my life. I
We need to express lane that shite. Zero reason it should take 20 years to kill a prisoner.
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Third, we need to just do away with it.
False.
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The DP is just a money pit that serves no purpose over LWOP.
30k a year to house a prisoner. Say they live 40 years in jail before dying. That is over a million bucks for one guy to sit in a cell and rot.
That is a complete and utter waste.
A 9mm round sure is a frick ton cheaper.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:53 pm to beerJeep
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Emotion is the enemy of logic.
I quite clearly laid out my logic earlier.
I'm not sure most people would be ok with the death penalty if they really thought it would mean killing innocent people.
This doesn't seem to sway you.
Let's try another route- do you think people aren't convicted or executed for political gain? Re-elections, campaign contributions, kickbacks?
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:53 pm to Wolf
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That sounds perfectly reasonable until it's you or someone you care about getting railroaded by a DA who cares nothing about the truth and is just trying to pad their win rate. Compensation doesn't bring the innocent back to life or comfort the grieving families of those wrongfully executed. It all comes down to whether or not you value the life of the wrongfully murdered the same as the wrongfully executed (or the families of those same people). I do.
Once again. Emotion is the enemy of logic.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:53 pm to Sody Cracker
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The execution should be gruesome and painful for these animals.
and should be televised.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:54 pm to beerJeep
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Emotion is the enemy of logic.
Explain us your logic for why killing innocent people is ok.
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