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re: Border Patrol-involved shooting in Minneapolis; person shot was allegedly armed
Posted on 1/25/26 at 12:59 pm to chRxis
Posted on 1/25/26 at 12:59 pm to chRxis
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question, when you conceal carry, do you just randomly announce it anyone, even family?
My family knows I am usually CCW'ing as I go about my business. Seems like here, Pretti's family knew he did not carry on a regular basis despite having a permit, I've seen in numerous times where people have gotten a CCW permit then state they almost never carry. A useless behavior but that's on them.
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Posted on 1/25/26 at 12:59 pm to Ingeniero
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I've been looking for an answer to this and no one seems to be able to give it to me: is there ever a scenario where someone can legally interject to stop an officer's unlawful act?
Yes, 100%
Posted on 1/25/26 at 1:00 pm to ell_13
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Why was he pepper sprayed?
b/c in that instant of the quick and sudden movement of him putting himself between the woman and the officer, he became perceived as a threat, and it's easy to just pepper spray people vs. having to actually try to de-escalate a situation that you probably don't want to and didn't think to be in...
Posted on 1/25/26 at 1:00 pm to billjamin
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Do you not know the difference between the confront and impede?
Within the context of the situation, they are the same. You’re acting like words only have a singular meaning in a vacuum.
Confronting law enforcement during an operation is, in fact, impeding. It is a lawful order for them to tell you to move back. If you don’t move back, it is lawful for them to move you back.
Hope this helps.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 1:00 pm to Antonio Moss
Everybody knows those cases, bub.
Let me know what you think justifies this shooting as “objectively reasonable” seeing as how he was disarmed and shot in the back of the head.
Let me know what you think justifies this shooting as “objectively reasonable” seeing as how he was disarmed and shot in the back of the head.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 1:00 pm to whatiknowsofar
I’m glad you read that part again.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 1:02 pm to chRxis
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he instinctually saw a woman get pushed to the ground, and jumped between her and what he saw as her threat..
And now he is lying in a steel cabinet. I hope it was worth it.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 1:02 pm to Clames
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My family knows I am usually CCW'ing as I go about my business.
cool... so, in your opinion, ALL CCWers MUST tell their family when they conceal carry?
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Pretti's family knew he did not carry on a regular basis despite having a permit, I've seen in numerous times where people have gotten a CCW permit then state they almost never carry
so, in your opinion, was it wrong of him to conceal carry a weapon, even though he was legal granted the authority to do so, even if he had never or rarely done it before?
Posted on 1/25/26 at 1:02 pm to Clames
quote:Some people do it so they don’t have to fill out a 4473 every time they buy a gun.
I've seen in numerous times where people have gotten a CCW permit then state they almost never carry. A useless behavior but that's on them.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 1:02 pm to chRxis
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there is not one video, of all the videos out there, that show Pretti as the one that escalated the situation... not one
Still images of him confronting officers abound. Something tells me you really aren't interested in an intelligent, properly contextualized discussion here.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 1:03 pm to chRxis
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if this board it to be believed, then yes
The problem with this situation is that the agent that escalated the situation isn’t the one who pulled the trigger (I don’t think).
So you are stuck having to apply reasonability standard on the shooting officer based on what he knew and perceived at the time.
So in the example given, if Officer Chud is beating his wife, you intercede and tackle him to the ground, and then another officer comes upon the scene and sees you wrestling with the officer (without knowing the context), the second officers actions are judged by what perceived an reasonably believed at time.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 1:03 pm to Ingeniero
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I've been looking for an answer to this and no one seems to be able to give it to me: is there ever a scenario where someone can legally interject to stop an officer's unlawful act?
If Officer Chud speeds over to Cava to pistol whip his no-good cheating whore of a wife and you get between them, he can legally blow your brains out?
that isn't what was happening here, is it?
This post was edited on 1/25/26 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 1/25/26 at 1:04 pm to pankReb
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Within the context of the situation, they are the same. You’re acting like words only have a singular meaning in a vacuum. Confronting law enforcement during an operation is, in fact, impeding. It is a lawful order for them to tell you to move back. If you don’t move back, it is lawful for them to move you back. Hope this helps.
Listen son, one day you’ll realize that you need to care about your rights and it matters. When you move out of your parents house it’ll hit different. We can talk about it then. Until then, let me know how that boot tastes.
This post was edited on 1/25/26 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 1/25/26 at 1:04 pm to Clames
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Something tells me you really aren't interested in an intelligent, properly contextualized discussion here.
i know... the can of pepper spray, huh?
Posted on 1/25/26 at 1:05 pm to Clames
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Still images of him confronting officers abound
Is that picture from the timeframe of the incident?
Looks like he's in the middle of the street in that picture and nowhere near the sidewalk
Posted on 1/25/26 at 1:06 pm to chRxis
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, in your opinion, ALL CCWers MUST tell their family when they conceal carry?
No, that's not my opinion at all. Typical dishonest ignorance from you is expected though.
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was it wrong of him to conceal carry a weapon, even though he was legal granted the authority to do so, even if he had never or rarely done it before?
Wrong for him to CCW AND confront law enforcement in the course of their duties. He was also not carrying his permit, which makes him unlawfully CCW'ing according to local statutes. So he essentially removed his legal authority by his own negligence.
This post was edited on 1/25/26 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 1/25/26 at 1:06 pm to Antonio Moss
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the agent that escalated the situation isn’t the one who pulled the trigger (I don’t think).
i don't think so either... personally, i think the agent that pulled the trigger was not the 1st officer, nor the one that shouted "gun, gun, gun", nor the one that carried his gun away from the situation after disarming him... it was one of the other 3 officers... one of the 7 did it
Posted on 1/25/26 at 1:06 pm to billjamin
This was my question:
Which if you weren't unhealthily attached to this singular issue you could have read as "how a prosecutor could charge the ICE agent(s).
These were your responses:
I suggest you take go outside and take a breath of fresh air because you don't see mentally ok. But your mental health status doesn't suprise me based on your post history. Crazy leftist lunatic
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Maybe it's already been discussed but isn't the defense of this guy, the same way that prosecutors tried to charge Rittenhouse? Why are you at a peaceful protest while armed? Why can't I be? So on and so forth?
Which if you weren't unhealthily attached to this singular issue you could have read as "how a prosecutor could charge the ICE agent(s).
These were your responses:
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There’s nothing legal about that question. You asked why he was armed at a protest and if you have a gave one single frick about your rights you wouldnt even think that.
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Maybe because the fricking constitution gives us the right to bear arms?
I suggest you take go outside and take a breath of fresh air because you don't see mentally ok. But your mental health status doesn't suprise me based on your post history. Crazy leftist lunatic
Posted on 1/25/26 at 1:06 pm to chRxis
quote:So he DID do something to escalate it. Cool.
quick and sudden movement of him putting himself between the woman and the officer, he became perceived as a threat
Posted on 1/25/26 at 1:07 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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Everybody knows those cases, bub.
Clearly tha isn’t true. In fact, if I was a betting man, I would bet that you’ve never heard of them until five minutes ago.
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Let me know what you think justifies this shooting as “objectively reasonable” seeing as how he was disarmed and shot in the back of the head.
It is going to depend on what the shooting officer knew at the time he pulled the trigger. Give the timeframe and movements, I seriously doubt that the shooting agent knew that Pretti has been disarmed 1-2 seconds before. The biggest question is going to be who the first shot came from and what was being communicated between the officers in this crucial 3-4 seconds.
And none of is to say ICE, through the actions of initial agents escalation of the event, isn’t culpable to a degree. But the legal analysis of the agent that actual shot Pretti is complicated and unclear based on what we actually know right now.
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