re: Border Patrol-involved shooting in Minneapolis; person shot was allegedly armed

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Confronting law enforcement while carrying a firearm (especially during active operations like arrests, deportations, protests, or high-risk enforcement) is extremely dangerous and almost always escalates rapidly to lethal force. This applies nationwide, including in Minnesota, and is amplified when the person is armed—even if legally carrying.

Legal Context in Minnesota

Minnesota requires a Permit to Carry for public handgun possession (open or concealed). Under Minn. Stat. § 624.714:Permit holders must carry the permit card and government-issued photo ID while armed.

Duty to inform is request-based only: You must disclose if you're carrying only upon a peace officer's direct request. There is no automatic duty to volunteer the information during every encounter (unlike "duty to inform" states like Texas or Ohio).

However, during any real confrontation or resistance, these rules become secondary to broader criminal laws.

Key statutes that come into play during confrontations:Resisting arrest (Minn. Stat. § 609.50): Can be a misdemeanor or gross misdemeanor; becomes felony-level if it involves substantial bodily harm or a dangerous weapon.

Assault on peace officer (Minn. Stat. § 609.221–609.223): Escalates dramatically if a firearm is involved or brandished.
Threatening violence or brandishing a firearm toward officers can qualify as assault with a deadly weapon.

Federal law applies if confronting federal agents (e.g., ICE, Border Patrol), including 18 U.S.C. § 111 (assaulting/resisting federal officers) or 18 U.S.C. § 115 (threats against federal officials), with severe penalties.

Practical and Safety RealitiesLaw enforcement (local police, federal agents) train to treat any armed individual who approaches aggressively, refuses commands, or physically engages as an imminent deadly threat. Key factors officers consider:Hands near waistband/holster ? Often perceived as reaching for a weapon.

Ignoring commands to show hands, drop weapon, or back away.
Physical resistance (pushing, grabbing, advancing on officers) while armed ? Frequently justifies deadly force under Graham v. Connor (U.S. Supreme Court standard: objective reasonableness based on totality of circumstances, including if the suspect poses an immediate threat).

Even if the carrier is legally permitted and has no intent to harm, confrontation (yelling aggressively, blocking agents, physical contact) changes the dynamic. Officers are legally allowed to use force—including firearms—if they reasonably believe there's an imminent threat of death or serious injury.In high-tension scenarios (e.g., protests blocking federal operations, deportations), agents may have heightened readiness, and any armed presence is viewed through a lens of potential ambush or interference.

Real-World Outcomes
Cases involving armed individuals confronting officers during enforcement operations frequently end in shootings when the armed person:Refuses to comply.
Reaches toward the firearm.
Physically engages officers.

This holds true even if bodycam/video later shows nuances (e.g., the person was disarmed but still perceived as a threat). In the U.S., such encounters rarely result in officers being prosecuted unless clear evidence of excessive force beyond the threat perception exists.

Bottom Line Advice
Do not confront or physically interfere with law enforcement operations while armed. It is not a safe or legally protected way to exercise rights.
If you encounter police/federal agents while lawfully carrying:Keep hands visible and away from your waist/holster.

Comply with commands immediately.

If asked, calmly disclose you're armed and have a permit (Minnesota doesn't require volunteering unprompted, but doing so calmly can de-escalate).
Avoid sudden movements.

Protesting or expressing disagreement is protected speech, but armed confrontation crosses into criminal territory and invites lethal response.

If this relates to a specific incident (like recent Minneapolis events involving federal agents), the pattern shows that armed presence during direct confrontations with officers during operations dramatically increases the risk of fatal outcomes, regardless of initial permit legality. Always prioritize de-escalation and compliance in those moments—legal challenges come afterward through courts, not on the scene.

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was an idiot. He showed up to physically fight law enforcement in the course of their duties, and even more stupidly, he brought a gun to that fight. You can piss and moan all you like, but he was participating in violent and armed insurgency. There’s nothing “peaceful “ about Minnesota.

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SlowFlowPro

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while it's not exactly smart, it's still NOT illegal,

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so he should be put to death for making contact with an officer?

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That is not why he is dead, and you know that

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Link the actual legal standard for ICE using deadly force

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