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re: Boeing 737 Crashes in China. 132 on board
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:21 am to SlackMaster
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:21 am to SlackMaster
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If they are adding flaps at that altitude and speed, then it would be the CAUSE of the accident.
yeah, flaps/slats aren't used at altitude, or not at least since Hoot Gibson did at TWA
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Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:21 am to IceTiger
There was a rudder issue on the UAL flight 585 737 that crashed after an almost vertical dive in Colorado Springs in 1991. The remains of that plane were really smashed and caused a big crater.
Even with the rudder problems a week before the crash, the investigation didn't state them as the cause of the crash until another 737 crashed in Penn 3 years later and there was another nonfatal incident a few years after.
The final determination was:
Even with the rudder problems a week before the crash, the investigation didn't state them as the cause of the crash until another 737 crashed in Penn 3 years later and there was another nonfatal incident a few years after.
The final determination was:
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The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of the United Airlines flight 585 accident was a loss of control of the airplane resulting from the movement of the rudder surface to its blowdown limit. The rudder surface most likely deflected in a direction opposite to that commanded by the pilots as a result of a jam of the main rudder power control unit servo valve secondary slide to the servo valve housing offset from its neutral position and overtravel of the primary slide.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:21 am to 225Tyga
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There’s more than 1 pilot in board. I don’t understand how that could happen.
Read about Germanwings Flight 9525 that crashed in France in 2015. Captain left the cockpit, possibly to use the bathroom, suicidal co-pilot locked the Captain out and crashed the plane into a mountain side.
Not saying that's at all what happened here, of course.
This post was edited on 3/21/22 at 9:22 am
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:22 am to SlackMaster
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If it's true they were starting their descent, in a few years we will learn it was something to do with the flaps failing or getting stuck and the pilots overcorrected it
If they are adding flaps at that altitude and speed, then it would be the CAUSE of the accident.
777 could answer this. Wouldn't the computer veto that request?
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:22 am to SlackMaster
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If they are adding flaps at that altitude and speed, then it would be the CAUSE of the accident.
It would might be the first or third CAUSAL event in the report.
There's a series of events each being either causal or not...
Then we add major topics of discussion that could be an issue in the future. In the AF we call them NFWODS (niffwads)...Non-factors worthy of discussion.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:25 am to 632627
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I know the chances of dying on a flight are astronomically low, but I really dislike flying out of fear of a crash.
Same here. I'm not really afraid of dying. But a crash like this one is what scares me... 2-3 minutes of extreme fear, screaming, and pandemonium as the plane falls almost 7 miles.
Or it could be like the scene on Airplane where the girl is a virgin and wants to have sex before she dies and all the men line up.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:26 am to TigerBait1980
Daily Mail has video showing near vertical descent
Sorry if already linked, but different angle that the dashboard briefer video pages ago.
Sorry if already linked, but different angle that the dashboard briefer video pages ago.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:28 am to real turf fan
LOTS of images on that page
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:28 am to REB BEER
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2-3 minutes of extreme fear
To be fair, the people on this flight were likely already passed out well before impact and did not experience those last 2 or 3 minutes but I get your point.
The 737 Max crashes had to be scary experiences
This post was edited on 3/21/22 at 9:30 am
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:29 am to stout
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To be fair, the people on this flight were likely already passed out well before impact and did not experience those last 2 or 3 minutes.
I would hope so.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:29 am to 632627
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I know the chances of dying on a flight are astronomically low, but I really dislike flying out of fear of a crash.
I drove back from Asheville through Atlanta this weekend. I almost died about 5 times. I would take flying any day of the week.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:32 am to stout
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To be fair, the people on this flight were likely already passed out well before impact and did not experience those last 2 or 3 minutes
I haven't looked at any details of this flight but that is not necessarily true
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:33 am to TigerBait1980
Only thing I can think other than pilot suicide is an aileron jammed.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:33 am to 777Tiger
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but that is not necessarily true
Maybe not the first drop but by the second drop I would figure the G force would be too great. That second drop was 20 seconds long before impact from about 10K feet looking at the charts posted.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:35 am to 777Tiger
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I haven't looked at any details of this flight but that is not necessarily true
Yeah, there's a bunch of issues at play...
But it looks like they experienced some tumbling or negative G effects...it doesn’t take much in that regard.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:38 am to IceTiger
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.it doesn’t take much in that regard.
a little G-ing up isn't going to knock somebody out, might be uncomfortable but it could take upwards of about 9 Gs to black a human out
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:40 am to stout
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That second drop was 20 seconds long before impact from about 10K feet looking at the charts posted
If it's controlled and a smooth dive, a bunch of them could stay awake under those limits. They were already at speed and the acceleration is what generates the Gs.
Obviously not the case here, no smooth dive, potential reduction in speed, then acceleration...so
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:42 am to 777Tiger
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a little G-ing up isn't going to knock somebody out, might be uncomfortable but it could take upwards of about 9 Gs to black a human out
Yeah, the fitness peeps do pretty good in there...Ilike you said, I'm not sure enough positive Gs we're generated, but a couple negatives would have them painting the jet green on the inside.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:43 am to TennesseeSaturday
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Dammit, I’m flying to Denver Thursday
Post your flight number so we can start a prayer chain for you, mate
This post was edited on 3/21/22 at 9:43 am
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:45 am to IceTiger
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Yeah, the fitness peeps do pretty good in there.
getting a ride in a T-38 this week, I'll have to let you know, that's a young man's game
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