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Bloomberg Piece: The Real Reason Gas Is So Expensive? The US Needs More Refineries
Posted on 7/13/22 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 7/13/22 at 1:05 pm
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No US president has been reelected with gasoline prices above $4 a gallon, and the price at the pump is almost $4.70 this summer. It’s the single biggest economic threat to Joe Biden’s presidency.
Biden’s first response was urging OPEC to raise global oil supplies, with some success. He tried to shame US shale drillers, too, for failing to put rigs back to work, with less success. Then administration officials began to confront an arguably bigger and longer-term obstacle to reining in the fuel prices that have sent inflation to the highest level in decades: America’s refining complex is in decline.
During the pandemic, plants that distill crude into gasoline, diesel, and jet fuel shut down around the world, and construction of new ones was postponed. The closures were especially acute in the US, where old facilities suffered irreparable damage from breakdowns and hurricanes while others were converted to produce renewable diesel.
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In June, as prices at the pump shot past $5 a gallon, Biden officials met with top executives from the nation’s largest fuel-making companies. The comments they made, industry insiders say, displayed a woeful—perhaps willful—misunderstanding of the refining business. In one Zoom-based session with a refining executive, White House officials soberly suggested that, with profit margins so large, oil companies should be able to recoup the costs of a new refinery in a year.
Biden economic adviser Heather Boushey rejected assertions that the president’s approach has been naive in a July 7 interview with Bloomberg Television, saying Biden was using every tool at his disposal to address gasoline prices. But to longtimers in US refining, the idea that companies would invest billions of dollars in a new refinery based on a few months of high profits was almost laughable.
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The US hasn’t built a full-scale refinery since 1977. Designing and constructing the labyrinth of pipelines, tanks, and distillation columns would easily cost $10 billion and take as long as a decade.
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My personal view is there will never be another new refinery built” in the US, Wirth said in an interview with Bloomberg TV in June. “You’re looking at committing capital 10 years out, that will need decades to offer a return for shareholders, in a policy environment where governments around the world are saying, ‘We don’t want these products.’?”
For a look at how challenging it will be for Biden to solve the refining shortage, consider this: He once tried to help save a refinery—and failed.
That refinery, in Philadelphia, not far from Biden’s hometown, used to account for almost a third of the refining capacity in the US Northeast.
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Supporters of the refinery implored then-Vice President Biden to help save it from closure, but their efforts proved futile. It eventually succumbed to a series of breakdowns and explosions and is now being dismantled.
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Refining additions in Asia and the Middle East may ease global shortages, but they also stand to increase US dependence on foreign supplies at a time of supply chain uncertainty.
For now, Biden’s options for quickly bringing down gasoline prices are limited.
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The above account of what the President and his administration said to “convince” executives of refiners to open up exposure to billions and billions is laughable and a clear sign that this administration knows zilch about the industry they first demonized during campaign season but now are begging to help pull their incompetent asses out of $4+ gasoline purely to try to save their skins with voters.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 1:06 pm to ragincajun03
Yeah but what does all that mean for truck nuts?
Posted on 7/13/22 at 1:06 pm to ragincajun03
Why is Bloomberg telling the truth for once? It's usually unadulterated propaganda from them...
Posted on 7/13/22 at 1:07 pm to ragincajun03
Joe Biden's legacy and future in office depends on an industry on which he's declared open war.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 1:09 pm to ragincajun03
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“Number one, no more subsidies for fossil fuel industry,” Biden said at the debate. “No more drilling on federal lands. No more drilling, including offshore. No ability for the oil industry to continue to drill, period, ends, number one.”
Joe Biden
March 19, 2020
Posted on 7/13/22 at 1:10 pm to ragincajun03
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In one Zoom-based session with a refining executive, White House officials soberly suggested that, with profit margins so large, oil companies should be able to recoup the costs of a new refinery in a year.
Good frick....
Posted on 7/13/22 at 1:11 pm to Bout_Dat_Lyfe
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Why is Bloomberg telling the truth for once? I
Yep it’s shocking. Happy to see it though
Posted on 7/13/22 at 1:12 pm to ragincajun03
File this under no shite Sherlock.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 1:13 pm to ragincajun03
Jesus, even Bloomberg has abandoned him.
I originally thought that this next election would look like the 2019 national championship, but now I’m thinking it’s gonna look like the second half of the 2021 national championship.
Bloodbath inbound
I originally thought that this next election would look like the 2019 national championship, but now I’m thinking it’s gonna look like the second half of the 2021 national championship.
Bloodbath inbound
Posted on 7/13/22 at 1:28 pm to Bout_Dat_Lyfe
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Why is Bloomberg telling the truth for once? It's usually unadulterated propaganda from them...
Probably has to do with the authors of the piece, especially KevinCrowley. While the titles of his articles typically throw a spotlight on “Big Oil”, he has this weird habit of actually bringing in counterpoints to give a real look at the side of industry, and some of the political and environmental challenges they face to operate.
Kind of refreshing to get that from a mainstream media reporter these days.
This post was edited on 7/13/22 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 7/13/22 at 1:32 pm to ragincajun03
Doesn't matter. Will win another rigged election.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 1:38 pm to ragincajun03
Bidens approach to lower prices at the pump is to ask big oil companies to cut their profits!!!!!! LMAO
Good luck dipshit. If I was running big oil...this is the time to make money. Capitalism. Supply Demand.
Old Man Biden just begging them to not make so much money.
This fricking RETARD cant stroke out soon enough.
Good luck dipshit. If I was running big oil...this is the time to make money. Capitalism. Supply Demand.
Old Man Biden just begging them to not make so much money.
This fricking RETARD cant stroke out soon enough.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 1:41 pm to ragincajun03
Who would build a refinery while a political party that half the country supports constantly vows to end fossil fuel production?
Posted on 7/13/22 at 1:43 pm to upgrayedd
Yeah the whole line, you’d recoup the expenses in 1 year is the biggest laughing stock of the entire premise. By the time the next refinery comes on line, it will most likely be after the NEXT presidential term.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 1:44 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Yeah the whole line, you’d recoup the expenses in 1 year is the biggest laughing stock of the entire premise. By the time the next refinery comes on line, it will most likely be after the NEXT presidential term.
Isn't Marathon in Garyville the first refinery built in US in 30 years and none have been built since?
Posted on 7/13/22 at 1:50 pm to ragincajun03
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During the pandemic, plants that distill crude into gasoline, diesel, and jet fuel shut down around the world, and construction of new ones was postponed.
Happened under two US Presidents at home and abroad, but puppets cry Biden. People + politics is a shameful mixture.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 1:50 pm to ragincajun03
How many recently shuttered refineries can be restarted?
Posted on 7/13/22 at 1:50 pm to ragincajun03
Joe Biden during this crisis reminds me a lot of John McCain when running for president during the 2008 financial crisis:
"Now, I am not an expert on Wall Street. I am not an expert on some of this stuff."
Yeah, that's not going to get you any votes.
"Now, I am not an expert on Wall Street. I am not an expert on some of this stuff."
Yeah, that's not going to get you any votes.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 1:53 pm to ragincajun03
We have the same amount of refineries we had in 2020
Posted on 7/13/22 at 1:53 pm to ragincajun03
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Maybe remote work is what we need right now
I don't disagree -- I work from home four out of five days a week -- but that won't solve the problem long-term.
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