re: Black Fatherhood: Myths and Realities

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Unfortunately, some of my ebony sisters are looking for love in all the wrong places. Most times the dude and the girl are not even dating and have no intention on dating; just fricking buddies. I can't tell anyone who to lay down with, but if you're not prepared for parenthood, strap up.

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I explained to some that they are far better off putting love on hold, but they refuted that they shouldn't have to be alone while women around them have kids. I refuted that with telling them that they'd be far better off in the long run by just taking advantage of the free money for education that is available to them and maximizing their potential while they are still young. Even if you have a baby out of wedlock and subject the child to a single family home, at least you could potentially have a good job and provide some stability.

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So was the black business community. Everyone dogged on John Wayne when he said, in his Playboy interview, that desegregation and civil rights should be done over a period of time rather than immediately so that the black community could prepare itself. But, now, some black authors essentially agree.

The all black secondary schools did well because discipline and grades could be administered without someone alleging discrimination.

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We honestly did need to integrate, we just needed fair access to natural resources to build our own communities with little involvement from the outside. All they needed was that and to be left alone. Tulsa is a perfect example of that.

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we just needed fair access to natural resources to build our own communities with little involvement from the outside. All they needed was that and to be left alone. Tulsa is a perfect example of that.

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So you wanted to be separate but equal?

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MontyFranklyn

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taking advantage of the free money for education that is available to them and maximizing their potential while they are still young. Even if you have a baby out of wedlock and subject the child to a single family home, at least you could potentially have a good job and provide some stability.

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Agreed, and the baby daddy is not on the corner trying to hustle to buy diapers and shite.

Lyons Ave in Houston was booming with black owned business before integration. 3rd Ward and 5th Ward were nothing like it is today...

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Lacking’ a father is not the reason white supremacy, gun violence, and police brutality endangered these youths.

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Oh, the stupidity

Anyone can do a study and make the numbers say what they want.

All races have this issue, but it seems to be prevalent in the black community, but its women with multiple baby daddies. You have to factor in the households in which a man might be living there, there are 6 kids and two of them are his.. And the man does for and treats his kids different that the other 4.

But I wish people would stop making this about race and more about reality.. poverty. There are areas I can think of, that is all white, in which it is just as bad as a street in the poor black area of an urban area.

In fact, when I use to work with the public (I say this all the time when referring to experiences here, but in college I worked for a local government's building permits and inspection department) and of the people that was worse to deal with were poor white trash. When you see a black person who looked to be trash, it was always hit or miss with them. They would be cluelessly nice or a complete disaster to deal with.. If you saw the white trash coming in, it was always an "awww frick, not this shite today".

They have the same exact problems in white trash areas. Bitches living on welfare, with 4 kids and 3 different baby daddies. We would have white trash come in after moving their trailer, because they had to get a permit to get electricity (many times it was chaos because whoever put their pole up didn't know what the frick they were doing so they would call us and scream at us that we need to go do it for them). The girl and the guy were moving to a certain place and they would tell everyone they were going to get married.

Three weeks later, a different guy comes in because he is moving in a trailer that would be moved somewhere else, when they fill out the paperwork it would end up being the same trailer that we had problems with 3, 4 weeks earlier... But the woman or man, who were suppose to be getting married, ends up getting caught cheating or put in jail.. So ive learned people poor trash is poor trash and they can be convinced anything is true and they all think the government is out to screw them.

So when I see shite like "why is this a problem in the black community". It's just that a higher percent of people in the black community are poor and uneducated.

Good post nephew

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Massive cultural changes of the 1960s - the sexual revolution, Civil Rights movement, Women's Rights movement (all addressing valid concerns, I am quick to add) - had the ultimate effect of devaluing traditional family arrangements and black families appear to have been hit early, often and continuing. Weak families produce folks less likely to build strong families. That's a fact and it "takes two to tango" is definitely true.

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Admittedly this is true.

My OP was longer than I wanted, so I did not include it. But has anyone ever thought that one of the reasons black families were so close was because of the very powerful force of Jim Crow and other segregation laws.

If the whole country is against you, you are going to stick close to the people you identify with the most. Blacks only had each other to rely on in pre 1970s era America.

You only dated Black women because that is all you really had access to (in some states anything else was a crime). Blacks were restricted in their employment, so naturally you are going adapt to one environment when its the only one Uncle Sam allows.

This is what many conservatives overlook ( willingly or or simply out of ignorance). Blacks need to stand together and be more productive as families. But to say "it was better' in the 1960s ignores the racial/sexual discrimination that marked the period.

To be fair, travel in pre 1970s America was not anywhere close to the level of travel in modern day even for whites. There was a higher percentage of people who were born, lived, and died approximate to their place of birth.

This topic deserves it own thread (not today).

I actually agree with your point about black fathers getting too much of the blame. Obviously there is a big problem with that demographic, but the women are much, if any better.