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re: Black Fatherhood: Myths and Realities
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:56 pm to volod
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:56 pm to volod
I think you're making an honest effort here, so I'll try to poke what, at least, I can see is big hole in that study and in those statistics:
They are comparing black, white, and Latino fathers in the same situations, correct?
Backing that out, that means they are making a one for one comparison between B/W/L fathers who are married and in the household, B/W/L fathers who are not married and in the household, and B/W/L fathers who are not married and not in the household. At least, that's what I think I am seeing with those statistics - someone could correct me if I am wrong.
If that is the case, then it's not surprising that those caretaker numbers are similar.
But their conclusions are dead arse wrong. That 75+% of African-American kids are born out of wedlock is the problem in the first place - I am sure that group is taken care of comparably to the 25% or so of white kids born in the same situation: it's just not nearly as good of a situation as being born into a married, two-parent household (adding that, I imagine, the statistics are comparable for the 25% of African-American kids with the 75% of white kids who are born in a married, two-parent household).
That study is a serious head fake and a glossy shining of a turd.
They are comparing black, white, and Latino fathers in the same situations, correct?
Backing that out, that means they are making a one for one comparison between B/W/L fathers who are married and in the household, B/W/L fathers who are not married and in the household, and B/W/L fathers who are not married and not in the household. At least, that's what I think I am seeing with those statistics - someone could correct me if I am wrong.
If that is the case, then it's not surprising that those caretaker numbers are similar.
But their conclusions are dead arse wrong. That 75+% of African-American kids are born out of wedlock is the problem in the first place - I am sure that group is taken care of comparably to the 25% or so of white kids born in the same situation: it's just not nearly as good of a situation as being born into a married, two-parent household (adding that, I imagine, the statistics are comparable for the 25% of African-American kids with the 75% of white kids who are born in a married, two-parent household).
That study is a serious head fake and a glossy shining of a turd.
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 7:45 pm
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Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:57 pm to volod
I don't blame them. I couldn't put up with a black woman either. 
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:59 pm to MontyFranklyn
quote:Unfortunately, some of my ebony sisters are looking for love in all the wrong places. Most times the dude and the girl are not even dating and have no intention on dating; just fricking buddies. I can't tell anyone who to lay down with, but if you're not prepared for parenthood, strap up.
black women are acting extremely irresponsibly when not truly considering the child's future outlook in the situation.
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:00 pm to volod
quote:
Myths
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Black Fatherhood
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:00 pm to LucasP
Hey, Lucas. Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:01 pm to SabiDojo
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:02 pm to volod
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Man, I am going to recieve A LOT of downvotes for this one. This is probably going to fall on deaf ears, but the truth is
1) There are black fathers out there who really care about their kids even if they dont get along with the mother.
2) It is a two-sided street. It is always black men are to blame and the women are always the victim. This is the same board that always gloats about women being deceptive when it benefits them. Ever thought it strange that they continue to see these guys with all these glaring problems. Fact is, they choose these men of their own accord, they encourage the behavior, and they know the government will bail them out.
Okay, so here are some links looking at this issue from both perspectives.
Abscence of Black Fathers America's Favorite Scapegoat
Father abscence decimates black communtiy
Fox News Hard Truths about inner city ---Trying to be bipartisan
Deadbeat dads are not the real root of the problem
Read these at your own leisure. Let me start off by saying that I am currently not a father, so I cant offer that perspective. However there are some things I can share from my experiences with good black fathers and mentors. Please comment and ask away. This OP is already too long as it is, but I will try to respond.
And for the record, I don't really believe in staying in an unhealthy marriage for the sake of children. I think two responsible adults, seperated/divorced, should always do the best thing for their kids, not create a false display of unity (only for it to come apart later).
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Lacking’ a father is not the reason white supremacy, gun violence, and police brutality endangered these youths. But it was easier to make the black father the issue, not the systems and institutions that toy with black life constantly. It is actually quite funny how people believe a black father being in or out of the picture would stop a bullet from taking a child from this Earth too soon. It won’t.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:02 pm to TT9
quote:
Myths
quote:Your black dad left before you were born, huh?
Black Fatherhood
Sorry to hear.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:03 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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(adding that, I imagine, the statistics are comparable for the 25% of African-American kids with the 75% of white kids who are born in a married, two-parent household
They are almost identical. Read Race, Poverty and Politics by Thomas Sowell if you are interested in the subject
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:05 pm to Chad504boy
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Lacking’ a father is not the reason white supremacy, gun violence, and police brutality endangered these youths.
"White supremacy" does not endanger these youths. "Police brutality" is likewise not a major danger to the youths, and when it is, it is usually because the youth is participating in criminal activities.
Gun violence is a danger, and kids who are not raised properly is a big factor in the gun violence. Kids being raised by kids is another factor.
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:07 pm to volod
I agree with a good bit of what you're saying here. We have discussed some cultural "issues" in the community - and to try to keep it somewhat apolitical, I will say that black families were fairly strong until just prior to the 1960s Civil Rights movement.
Massive cultural changes of the 1960s - the sexual revolution, Civil Rights movement, Women's Rights movement (all addressing valid concerns, I am quick to add) - had the ultimate effect of devaluing traditional family arrangements and black families appear to have been hit early, often and continuing.
Weak families produce folks less likely to build strong families. That's a fact and it "takes two to tango" is definitely true.
As far as your "deadbeat dad" issue - white and latino dudes catch hell for that as well - women often deserve their portion of the blame when a family breaks up, but they are usually the recipients of significant community support as well as government benefits. While I think far too many "fathers" (black, brown, plaid, white, tannish, orange, etc., color doesn't matter) don't take their responsibilities seriously, fathers catch way too much of the blame, collectively, for problems of misguided and materially unsupported youth in the community.
Massive cultural changes of the 1960s - the sexual revolution, Civil Rights movement, Women's Rights movement (all addressing valid concerns, I am quick to add) - had the ultimate effect of devaluing traditional family arrangements and black families appear to have been hit early, often and continuing.
Weak families produce folks less likely to build strong families. That's a fact and it "takes two to tango" is definitely true.
As far as your "deadbeat dad" issue - white and latino dudes catch hell for that as well - women often deserve their portion of the blame when a family breaks up, but they are usually the recipients of significant community support as well as government benefits. While I think far too many "fathers" (black, brown, plaid, white, tannish, orange, etc., color doesn't matter) don't take their responsibilities seriously, fathers catch way too much of the blame, collectively, for problems of misguided and materially unsupported youth in the community.
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:11 pm to volod
So bitches are crazy regardless of race
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:12 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
. While I think far too many "fathers" (black, brown, plaid, white, tannish, orange, etc., color doesn't matter) don't take their responsibilities seriously
I know I'll catch hell for this and probably get banned again, but plaid fathers are the most worthless pieces of shite on the planet. I've never met one that shouldn't be in jail, stereotypes exist for a reason, and that stereotype is dead on.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:12 pm to volod
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This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:13 pm to Modern
Why? Was your dad plaid?
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:15 pm to LucasP
I grew up in a two parent household. I'm the minority within the minority.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:17 pm to LucasP
So, you're saying that the orange fathers are ok? This says a lot about your worldview.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:18 pm to Rebel
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I like that All State commercial where the black actor is pretending to have:
1) a wife and 2 kids
2) a mini-van
3 insurance
4) a putter
How is he pretending? He does in fact have those things.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:19 pm to High C
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orange fathers
All that shite you hear is way exaggerated. I have an orange Uncle and not one of my cousins was molested to my knowledge.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:19 pm to Ace Midnight
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I will say that black families were fairly strong until just prior to the 1960s Civil Rights movement.
So was the black business community. Everyone dogged on John Wayne when he said, in his Playboy interview, that desegregation and civil rights should be done over a period of time rather than immediately so that the black community could prepare itself. But, now, some black authors essentially agree.
The all black secondary schools did well because discipline and grades could be administered without someone alleging discrimination.
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