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re: Bizarre Math Question and Answer breaks the internet - Sorry if already posted

Posted on 4/15/15 at 8:56 pm to
Posted by KG6
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Posted on 4/15/15 at 8:56 pm to
How can someone state in one sentence that math is solved left to right, then literally in the next sentence say that it has nothing to do with the left to right orientation .
Posted by buckeye_vol
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Posted on 4/15/15 at 8:58 pm to
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How can someone state in one sentence that math is solved left to right, then literally in the next sentence say that it has nothing to do with the left to right orientation .
Because we aren't debating whether the problem is solved left to right; we are debating whether there is an implied parentheses that would impact those "exceptions" I noted in that same statement.

288 is a superior answer because it doesn't require any additional assumptions (i.e., an implied parantheses). It's Occam's Razor.
This post was edited on 4/15/15 at 9:03 pm
Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 4/15/15 at 8:59 pm to
The answer is 288.

Whomever came up with PEMDAS deserves to be kicked in the balls.

And for the people trying to justify their positions by randomly inserting more parenthesis, you're creating a different equation.
This post was edited on 4/15/15 at 9:02 pm
Posted by KG6
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Posted on 4/15/15 at 9:06 pm to
I can see your argument and how you state there is a superior answer (somewhat). But my stance is there is no such thing as a superior answer in math. There is a right answer (some equations are allowed multiple right answers. Not like this case. More like sqrt(4) can be 2 and -2). This question is written in a way that requires assumptions to be made. Occam's Razor is not a law that is required to solve equations. It is a method. I can see that you can use it to say your answer is better. But I can say that the answer 2 is better because it takes less syllables to say.

I like to argue and I'm on a business trip in a hotel by myself. If you'd be as dead set on the number 2 as you are on 288, I'd be arguing 288
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 4/15/15 at 9:12 pm to
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If you'd be as dead set on the number 2 as you are on 288, I'd be arguing 288
Well as one who often plays devils advocate--often for good reason--I can appreciate this.
This post was edited on 4/15/15 at 9:16 pm
Posted by Jake88
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Posted on 4/15/15 at 9:30 pm to
Multiplication and division are equal in the order therefore you go left to right. The division comes before the multiplication in the problem given. 288
Posted by bee Rye
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Posted on 4/15/15 at 10:43 pm to
I see black and blue. Anyone who sees white and gold is retarded.
Posted by JW6
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Posted on 4/15/15 at 11:22 pm to
2
Posted by Sampson
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Posted on 4/15/15 at 11:32 pm to
Good to see the OT pumping out some new material. 12 pages of refreshing, original thoughts and debate.
Posted by GCTiger11
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Posted on 4/15/15 at 11:47 pm to
It's fricking black and blue
Posted by Upperdecker
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Posted on 4/15/15 at 11:55 pm to
It was white and gold
Posted by Tigah in the ATL
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Posted on 4/16/15 at 12:03 am to
PEMDAS. this shite fricks people up on this board about once a year. Taken literally the answer is 288. Taken the way they want you to see it (by leaving out the multiplication sign) it's 2.

PEMDAS MEANS NOTHING.
Posted by DanW1
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 4/16/15 at 12:29 am to
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The flaw in your logic is that you feel you must perform operations left to right.


I guess we'll have to disagree. Arithmetic is solved left to right when written left to right.

Just as arabic arithmetic is written right to left and solved right to left.
Posted by bgator85
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Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:17 am to
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I don't understand how someone can possibly interpret this problem as ambiguous.

48/2(9+3) = 288



The issue is implied multiplication. If it was 48/2x, no one would say this should be solved (48/2)*X even though if we wrote it out by operations it would read 48/2*X. That is why some are arguing that multiplication by juxtaposition takes precedence over PEMDAS.
This post was edited on 4/16/15 at 3:49 am
Posted by Dijkstra
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Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:28 am to
Reverse Polish notation or nothing at all!
Posted by jeff5891
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Posted on 4/16/15 at 4:48 am to
How many engineers got 288?
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/16/15 at 5:38 am to
So I decided to look at this a different way that I don't think I've seen anyone bring up yet. See work below:



Rewriting the problem as an equation, and knowing that the variable should equal 12 (x=9+3=12), 2 is the correct answer. frick this problem
This post was edited on 4/16/15 at 5:41 am
Posted by ChineseBandit58
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Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 4/16/15 at 5:40 am to
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How many engineers got 288?

Not a one worth his salt.

Rather than teaching PEMDAS, math students should be taught to state problems clearly and to recognize ambiguity.

Any rational reading of this 'problem' would assign precedence to the 2(9+3) notation rather than blindly following PEMDAS.

The only time this problem would make any sense is in a discussion of how to clearly write a problem statement to avoid any possibility of misunderstanding.

and that's the troof
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/16/15 at 5:43 am to
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Any rational reading of this 'problem' would assign precedence to the 2(9+3) notation rather than blindly following PEMDAS.


I don't agree with you here. You can't say the problem is ambiguous and then say only one way (your way) of reading it is rational.

Like I said in my first post in this thread, it can be answered with either 288 or 2 as written because it is poorly written but there will be lots of pages of argument anyway.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 4/16/15 at 5:48 am to
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And for the people trying to justify their positions by randomly inserting more parenthesis, you're creating a different equation.


I believe the equation is crafted poorly to begin with. If you clearly mean the sequential order then add the * after the 2 and everybody lives. If you clearly mean left side, then right side, then use the / and everybody lives.

This is very vague and an argument can be made for either result. Consistency of rules breaks down when things aren't done consistently. It's like bad grammar, but for math in this case. That inserts vagueness that is subject to interpretation.

ETA: I'm basically agreeing with LNCHBOX here.
This post was edited on 4/16/15 at 5:49 am
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