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re: Birmingham Schools Graduates to Get Free College Tuition
Posted on 8/28/19 at 8:12 am to HempHead
Posted on 8/28/19 at 8:12 am to HempHead
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If we do that, colleges need to become a lot more spartan in their facilities and much more selective.
I’m not implying a socialistic education where everybody gets the same public education. Just as with our high schools, there should be private and public colleges with only the latter being publicly funded. And those should include special programs for gifted students and “life skills” programs for the less gifted.
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You can't just fund every chucklefrick who can manage a 3.0 and 21 on their ACT to go to some shitty state school to study basket weaving.
Basket weaving is a liberal arts option, not a life skills course. High school educations should be general education but two- and four-year(+) college programs should focus on specialities. Too much college time is wasted on a general liberal arts curriculum.
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Posted on 8/28/19 at 8:29 am to HempHead
Maybe they'll let the sewerage and water board oversee the program.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 8:32 am to Kentucker
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Basket weaving is a liberal arts option, not a life skills course. High school educations should be general education but two- and four-year(+) college programs should focus on specialities. Too much college time is wasted on a general liberal arts curriculum.
Disagree. I only had one non major required class that I thought was a waste of time, and that was a choice of a couple of ethics classes. I really enjoyed the history and literature classes. Even the art appreciation class I took was really fun and sparked some art interest in me. Speech is another of the core classes that I believe offers tremendous value to any student regardless of major.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 9:00 am to LanierSpots
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So you are saying any kid that can somehow make it through high school in Birmingham gets a free ride to Auburn or Alabama?
They have to be accepted. It also is just tuition, I think. So they would still have room and board, food and parking expenses.
Proud of the city for taking this step.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 10:15 am to Rouge
quote:you clearly don't understand why kids go to private schools.
You might see a lot of private school kids
Posted on 8/28/19 at 10:19 am to arcalades
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They have to be accepted. It also is just tuition, I think. So they would still have room and board, food and parking expenses.
Whatever pell grant they qualify for would be able to cover a large chunk of the remainder if not all. A full pell grant is something like $6k a semester I believe?
Posted on 8/28/19 at 10:19 am to HempHead
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I have a hard time believing in the competency of local government enough to ensure that no one exploits an obvious action.
What is there to exploit? These families pay the same taxes that fund the public schools.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 10:20 am to Ssubba
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Of course the first al.com comment. What's up with boomers and trade schools?
I mean most trade programs are done at community colleges.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 10:28 am to TH03
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What is there to exploit? These families pay the same taxes that fund the public schools.
This program is quite obviously not meant to benefit those who can afford private school, even if they DO pay the vast majority of the property taxes that fund these schools and the local government as a whole.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 10:28 am to HempHead
Saban will be redirecting 20 preferred walkons a year to complete their last semester in Birmingham.
Might even get some Hawaiin families to move to Alabama. Oh , wait. That's right.
Might even get some Hawaiin families to move to Alabama. Oh , wait. That's right.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 10:32 am to HempHead
But why would a family spend so much on private school just to transfer for this scholarship?
Would be a huge waste of money if the kid couldn't get any other scholarships.
Would be a huge waste of money if the kid couldn't get any other scholarships.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 10:34 am to TH03
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But why would a family spend so much on private school just to transfer for this scholarship?
So their kid can actually learn some things and not be part of, ahem, a "substandard" environment.
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Would be a huge waste of money if the kid couldn't get any other scholarships.
I don't know what the private day schools in Birmingham cost, but I bet it's less than a year at Bama or Auburn. You have to do pretty well to get tuition completely covered at either one.
ETA: There are relatively few places in Birmingham proper where there are well-to-do families live. Basically just Southside and the Highlands. Most folks with kids who can afford it go to Mountain Brook, Vestavia, Homewood, Hoover, or somewhere in Shelby County.
This post was edited on 8/28/19 at 10:36 am
Posted on 8/28/19 at 10:40 am to bird35
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I told my kids if they want to go away to school and not go to a college while living at home they must qualify for the free college.
Costs are so inflated for out of state students that you are either filthy rich or filthy stupid to go out of state for college. If you can swing scholarships that's good but just glancing at other SEC schools it seems to be 3-5 times the cost of the in state rate.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 10:41 am to HempHead
Birmingham City is separate from Jefferson county as far a schools go. Most of the municipalities that have their own school system are done that way because they were not satisfied with the way the county ran things. Not to go into too many details but the way the county schools are run isn’t great. Several have tried and succeeded in separating from the county in recent years. Jefferson county is the largest in the state. You could have two schools an hour away from each other be in the same school system. It is part of why you saw places like Vestavia and Hoover and Homewood start their own school system. They have their own local government, fire and police departments, and school systems.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:09 am to The Spleen
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They're not making it "free." It's basically just a scholarship, and scholarships have been around for decades. And if it motivates kids to work hard to earn that and go to college, I think it's a great thing. Especially when you look at historical results for Bham City Schools.
There's a reason why college costs have increased exponentially compared to inflation: gov't subsidization of the market. If you have a pulse, the gov't will give you money to go to college. Thus, the prices the colleges can charge have increased. It's basic economics.
Also, a college degree isn't worth what it once was which is why you hear so much about trade schools and apprenticeships now. Why? Again, because we've increased the supply of college graduates and made those degrees less valuable at the same time making them more expensive.
The gov't needs to get out of the labor market. These type of initiatives sound great, but they do nothing but distort a functioning labor market.
Guess which of these markets are subsidized by the tax payer:
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:21 am to StringedInstruments
Just watched a video on the program. Looks like a solid plan.
It is a "last dollar" program. Meaning they will cover whatever isn't already covered by scholarships, pell grants, etc.
Also, only students who have been in the system k-12 will get full coverage. Otherwise it is percentage based. So, if you move in for your senior year to game the system they will only cover 1/12 of the bill.
Here's a link to Twitter video if anyone wants to learn more. LINK
It is a "last dollar" program. Meaning they will cover whatever isn't already covered by scholarships, pell grants, etc.
Also, only students who have been in the system k-12 will get full coverage. Otherwise it is percentage based. So, if you move in for your senior year to game the system they will only cover 1/12 of the bill.
Here's a link to Twitter video if anyone wants to learn more. LINK
This post was edited on 8/28/19 at 11:25 am
Posted on 8/28/19 at 12:05 pm to Aubie Spr96
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There's a reason why college costs have increased exponentially compared to inflation: gov't subsidization of the market. If you have a pulse, the gov't will give you money to go to college. Thus, the prices the colleges can charge have increased. It's basic economics.
There are a handful of reasons college costs have exploded, and blaming it on just one aspect is rather elementary. Of course, demand for college has increased over the last 50 years. Our economy has shifted from being primarily agriculture and manufacturing to service based. More demand, higher costs. More students, more administrative positions and student services are needed.
Government subsidization is here to stay, whether we like it or not. That's not to say it doesn't at times need some reigning in, but it is to say that it is a vital part of an advanced, healthy economy.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 12:05 pm to HempHead
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I don't know what the private day schools in Birmingham cost,
Not many private schools in Bham anyways
Posted on 8/28/19 at 12:13 pm to greenwave
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Not many private schools in Bham anyways
It really is kind of surprising how few private schools there are in Bham proper. Advent, St Francis Xavier, and Altamont are the only 3 I can think of. Then there are the suburban ones - Briarwood, Indian Springs, John Carroll.
I feel like I'm forgetting a big one.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 12:13 pm to greenwave
I know of Indian Springs and John Carroll. I'm sure there's more.
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