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Posted on 11/19/21 at 7:47 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Legit question, who is saying this is just ivermectin?
I don't think anyone is saying that....even the author of that article said that molecularly they were different which makes it 100% legal/ok to patent Pfizer's pill.
The deal is they work is pretty much the same way to inhibit the virus.
Posted on 11/19/21 at 7:48 am to stout
But your argument was that they are the same drug.
Posted on 11/19/21 at 7:49 am to LSU316
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The deal is they work is pretty much the same way to inhibit the virus.
Spoiler alert: almost all drugs work the same way to inhibit pathogens - by fricking up their proteins in some way.
Posted on 11/19/21 at 7:50 am to Tigerlaff
Was going to same the same. It's always about stopping replication at some level.
Posted on 11/19/21 at 7:51 am to SEC. 593
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But your argument was that they are the same drug.
No my argument wasn't that. I admit I had not looked into it myself hence my original wording "many people are saying" and after reading further I acknowledged they weren't
My original point was they discouraged people from taking Ivermectin as a pure money grab despite Ivermectin being very effective. I still stand by that
This post was edited on 11/19/21 at 7:57 am
Posted on 11/19/21 at 7:52 am to stout
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Why Ivermectin Is Superior to Pfizer’s Antiviral Pill
Comedian and political commentator Jimmy Dore discusses a video by John Campbell, Ph.D. where he explains the similarities between Pfizer’s expensive new antiviral drug for COVID and ivermectin, and why ivermectin is better.
So your second link is an article written by an author that discusses a video by a comedian discussing the video by John Campbell on a website that describes themself as
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Posted on 11/19/21 at 7:53 am to Tigerlaff
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Spoiler alert: almost all drugs work the same way to inhibit pathogens - by fricking up their proteins in some way.
No shite? Wow!
Posted on 11/19/21 at 7:53 am to SEC. 593
Heroin and Tylenol are the same because both take my headache away.
When everyone knows they're different, because only Heroin gives you that big warm hug feeling.
When everyone knows they're different, because only Heroin gives you that big warm hug feeling.
Posted on 11/19/21 at 7:54 am to Oilfieldbiology
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So your second link is an article written by an author that discusses a video by a comedian discussing the video by John Campbell on a website that describes themself as
Yea try to discredit the author instead of the information. Good job!
There are the papers the Dr used linked in that article. Why not attack those and the point he comes to using those papers that clearly show Ivermectin is effective and maybe even more effective than the new drug?
Perhaps because you can't?
Posted on 11/19/21 at 7:55 am to SEC. 593
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Heroin and Tylenol are the same because both take my headache away.
Jesus Christ some of you make the most asinine counterpoints.
This is not even relative and makes you look as stupid as Sao and his lame-arse hyperbole.
Posted on 11/19/21 at 7:58 am to kywildcatfanone
Posted on 11/19/21 at 8:01 am to stout
I'll add that the most annoying part of all of this to me is when an individual uses their title "DR." in way to give more confidence in their opinion, when actually his credential has nothing to do with the topic he speaks on.
Posted on 11/19/21 at 8:02 am to Sao
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“And there is conclusive proof from the scientific literature that the modality of action of the two drugs is the same. Both of these drugs inhibit viral replication.”
That's also in the article, MSaoNBC.
Pretty quick drug development by pFizer. It's almost like they had an existing drug that they copied the pharmacokinetics from.
Posted on 11/19/21 at 8:05 am to stout
I remember the OT Dr's lulzing at everyone and saying Ivermectin is a horse dewormer
If you go to a TJ Pharmacist their Covid pack is Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine, Z Pack and a steroid inhaler
Holy frick
If you go to a TJ Pharmacist their Covid pack is Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine, Z Pack and a steroid inhaler
Holy frick
Posted on 11/19/21 at 8:05 am to SEC. 593
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when actually his credential has nothing to do with the topic he speaks on.
He only made the conclusions using the papers he cited. He didn't do the research and then write up the results personally so his credentials don't make or break the information considering that.
He simply read the studies and shared the information. You guys are doing everything you can to attack him and the site linked yet have failed to address the actual research used and linked.
Posted on 11/19/21 at 8:07 am to stout
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Sao and his lame-arse hyperbole.
What does this mean
Posted on 11/19/21 at 8:10 am to stout
But why should I trust his ability to comprehend, interpret, or understand the information presented in the papers? He is just some random guy on the internet, until he uses his degree to imply some expertice to which he is speaking.
Posted on 11/19/21 at 8:10 am to SDVTiger
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If you go to a TJ Pharmacist their Covid pack is Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine, Z Pack and a steroid inhaler
BTW the new Pfizer drug is only most effective when paired with an HIV drug.
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Pfizer said its Covid-19 pill, used with an HIV drug, cut the risk of hospitalization or death by 89% in high-risk adults who’ve been exposed to the virus.
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Ritonavir, sold under the brand name Norvir, is an antiretroviral medication used along with other medications to treat HIV/AIDS.[1][2][3] This combination treatment is known as highly active antiretroviral therapy (HAART).[3] Often a low dose is used with other protease inhibitors.[3] It may also be used in combination with other medications for hepatitis C.[4] It is taken by mouth.[3] The tablets of ritonavir are not bioequivalent to capsules as tablets may result in higher peak plasma concentrations.[3]
Common side effects include nausea, vomiting, loss of appetite, diarrhea, and numbness of the hands and feet.[3] Serious side effects include liver problems, pancreatitis, allergic reactions, and arrythmias.[3] Serious interactions may occur with a number of other medications including amiodarone and simvastatin.[3] At low doses it is considered to be acceptable for use during pregnancy.[5] Ritonavir is of the protease inhibitor class.[3] Typically, however, it is used to inhibit the enzyme that metabolizes other protease inhibitors.[6] This inhibition allows lower doses of these latter medications to be used.
The side effects sound like fun!
Posted on 11/19/21 at 8:12 am to SEC. 593
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But why should I trust his ability to comprehend, interpret, or understand the information presented in the papers?
You dont have to. The papers are linked in the article. You have consistently ignored them and continue to deflect.
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