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re: B’ham HS band director tased, arrested for not stopping band after game
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:18 am to StringedInstruments
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:18 am to StringedInstruments
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Police needed to clear the area for safety reasons.
Unfortunately H.S. football games are becoming war zones
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Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:22 am to kengel2
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Never were any good ones because no good person would willingly violate the rights of others and stand by and watch their co-workers willingly violate the rights of others the number of times it happens in an average police officers shift. i am sure some go into it with good intentions but the first time they fail to stop a fellow officer from trying to ID someone for NO reason the good one is as bad as the bad one.
So, you're good with a free for all? Or are you going to start responding to domestic violence calls? Going to go catch murderers? Etc Etc.
So the only choice is a free for all or the current system of the state having no checks and balances?
Cops only solve about 51% of murders and at least some of those they convict the wrong person. They should not be the only professionals responding to domestic violence calls because police are a hammer by nature and everyone is a nail...and there is only one thing a hammer can do with a nail. Police would be MUCH better served if there was a mental health professional, someone trained in mental health issues without the power to arrest and who is not armed, along for the ride when it is a domestic violence call.
Surely the only answer can't be a free for all or a situation where the cops see the public as us against them all of the time. If that is the only solutions we are fricked....
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:22 am to GreenRockTiger
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it wasn’t his school, the other band wasn’t there, he was asked to leave
It doesn't matter if it is his school. It was at night after a game. Every school game I have ever been to they turn the lights off shortly after the game and no one is allowed to hang out in the stadium whether they are a school board employee or not.
If I went to my son's game and just hung out in the stadium after the game, I would be asked to move along by the deputy that is always on duty. If I refused, he would trespass me from the stadium. Usually the stadium is cleared and lights are off before he even makes it out of the locker room. They also announce at the end of the 3rd quarter for kids to arrange their ride home so that they are gone immediately after the game.
This band director was keeping a large number of kids there after a game. He resisted the cops acting lawfully. From the video it looked like band kids were getting involved in the altercation as well. This whole thing is on him.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:23 am to Darth_Vader
He ask for. Dude should not be allowed to teach kids.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:24 am to AwgustaDawg
It is amazing how consistently bad your takes are.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:25 am to AwgustaDawg
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Cops only solve about 51% of murders
So we shouldn't try to solve any of them? Even assuming your numbers, if they solve 51% of the murders they are more than likely catching a greater percentage of murders because a lot of them have killed more than once.
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They should not be the only professionals responding to domestic violence calls because police are a hammer by nature and everyone is a nail...and there is only one thing a hammer can do with a nail. Police would be MUCH better served if there was a mental health professional, someone trained in mental health issues without the power to arrest and who is not armed, along for the ride when it is a domestic violence call.
Who is going to pay for that?
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:26 am to AwgustaDawg
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Police would be MUCH better served if there was a mental health professional, someone trained in mental health issues without the power to arrest and who is not armed, along for the ride when it is a domestic violence call.
This is absurd.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:27 am to TigerDeacon
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Who is going to pay for that?
You already know the answer.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:29 am to AwgustaDawg
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It is a great example to provide the future of this nation...that the state's muscle will ALWAYS overreact when their demands are not satisfied immediately. Maybe those kids will change that....
Those kids will probably be tased one day as well because their idiot band director set a bad example.
This post was edited on 9/20/23 at 11:06 am
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:31 am to PureBlood
quote:Yeh!!!
For what crime was he lawfully arrested on?
Same reason I’m still posting from tiger stadium. They can’t make me leave after the game is over. It’s my constitutional right to stay places I don’t own as long as I want!!! Don’t step on my snake right pureblood??
This post was edited on 9/20/23 at 9:32 am
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:31 am to kengel2
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If the person being trespassed refuses to leave, what should happen?
The police have the authority to force them to leave. Is that what should happen? Every time, without any extenuating circumstances? Of course not. The police were there, the situation was not going to turn violent from the band being in a bad neighborhood or it being a rival. How long were they going to play? It is entirely conceivable that they would eventually get tired and go home...and the police would have done what they claim to exist to do....protect and serve. The police COULD wait it out...the band was not damaging the property, the threat of violence to the band from the neighborhood or it being a rivalry is pretty nil at that point with the police presence....yes, trespassing is against the law but is it the best idea for the state to enforce such laws regardless of the circumstances? If so, why not arrest him at a later time, when there are not kids present and emotions are not running high on both sides? Were they concerned he would disappear? If so, what harm was done, as long as he was no longer on the property.
I get it, laws must be obeyed and without question. But is it in the best interest, especially in a neighborhood such as this, for the police to exert their absolute authority in such a situation? They almost always do and then are dumbfounded when they have a public relations problem. They would be far more effective and far safer in their duties if they excercised some sound judgement...but instead their orders must be complied with IMMEDIATELY or they will escalate as much as it takes to make certain they are...and the end result is often the taxpayer paying a bunch of money, property being destroyed and further mistrust between the police and the policed...and we continue to do the same shite over and over.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:32 am to AwgustaDawg
quote:18 minutes /= 'immediately.
AwgustaDawg
You saw what you wanted to see. People who immediately fault police are just the mirror image of bootlickers. You are what you despise and you and the bootlickers should go stand in the corner while the adults discuss this based on the facts and not prejudices.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:33 am to AwgustaDawg
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How long were they going to play? It is entirely conceivable that they would eventually get tired and go home...and the police would have done what they claim to exist to do
You think it’s reasonable the cops should just wait around?
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:34 am to AwgustaDawg
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Very conservative idea complying or dying...very small governmentesque...
Interesting. I assume you don’t care about the children that are shot in the parking lot when fights break out during rival gang disputes then, correct? Because that’s what you’re advocating for
The deaths only matter when a cop and a black person are involved, no matter the circumstances or facts.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:36 am to TigerDeacon
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Cops only solve about 51% of murders
So we shouldn't try to solve any of them? Even assuming your numbers, if they solve 51% of the murders they are more than likely catching a greater percentage of murders because a lot of them have killed more than once.
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They should not be the only professionals responding to domestic violence calls because police are a hammer by nature and everyone is a nail...and there is only one thing a hammer can do with a nail. Police would be MUCH better served if there was a mental health professional, someone trained in mental health issues without the power to arrest and who is not armed, along for the ride when it is a domestic violence call.
Who is going to pay for that?
The same people who pay for that are now paying for the damage done to the relationship between the police and the policed.
There is a problem in this country with the police and a large portion of it stems from the fact that we expect something from cops that is not possible and fail to provide them what they need to do what they can for us. The police do not trust the policed and the policed do not trust the police...but the only answer is to comply or die. Questioning that thinking means you have to be completely anti-police, an anarchist or something even worse, when in fact any logical person can see what we are doing does not work at any level...
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:41 am to lsupride87
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How long were they going to play? It is entirely conceivable that they would eventually get tired and go home...and the police would have done what they claim to exist to do
You think it’s reasonable the cops should just wait around?
ABSOLUETLY. Why is it not reasonable? Was there property being damaged? Not that anyone knows about. Was there a threat of violence? The cops were there, so anything is possible, but the threat of violence from a source not employed by the city would be very slim. It is entirely possible, given that the only law being broken may have been trespassing, and it has not been established if the cops knew that anyone with the authority to make that claim had done so, it is entirely reasonable for the muscle of the state to not insist that their demands be complied with or else. It is not reasonable to expect that sort of activity to not result in cops being injured...it just is not logical. Want to keep cops safe? Stop acting like they are hammers and everyone is a fricking nail...because every once in a while a hammed gets hurt by a nail. The nail will be destroyed but the hammer is still damaged. It is incredible that it has to be all of the same without any question lest one be accused of being something other than sane and logical...
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:41 am to AwgustaDawg
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AwgustaDawg
You have to be trolling at this point.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:41 am to AwgustaDawg
quote:Where'd you get this propaganda term, the NAACP list buzz words?
but the only answer is to comply or die
It's funny you say that because I watch a lot of bodycam video, and it's always the person refusing to comply that has nothing to lose and pulls out a gun on the officer.
Yet you think they have the right to say no, you can't question me during this traffic stop or whatever lawful stop is taking place
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:42 am to AwgustaDawg
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Stop acting like they are hammers and everyone is a fricking nail...because every once in a while a hammed gets hurt by a nail. The nail will be destroyed but the hammer is still damaged
OK oweo
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:42 am to kengel2
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You have to be trolling at this point.
Exactly
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