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Posted on 3/29/18 at 3:25 pm to CarRamrod
Do you really think everyone in St George is going to immediately pull all their kids out of private school?
Posted on 3/29/18 at 3:26 pm to doubleb
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Permitting and licensing in EBR is a bitch, SG can easily do better. Ask any contractor how tough it is to get permits and inspections now. Ask Architects you know. It is a huge problem.
This shite right here, what usually takes about 60 days to build anywhere else, will take double that in baton rouge. fricking criminal.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 3:49 pm to nicholastiger
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Do you really think everyone in St George is going to immediately pull all their kids out of private school?
And that is why I believe an ISD will have ample time to get its feet on the ground, to get things going and not be overwhelmed initially.
That's another reason too that I don't think there will be a need for a big tax increase. It's not as if all these kids are going to leave school and become public school kids. Sure some will, but certainly not all of them.
Determining how many to expect the first year will be hard to do. It's important that they start out well.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 4:02 pm to CarRamrod
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it isnt "status quo is bad, gotta do something new"; it was "We want to start our own school district and status quo(government, ran by one side of the city) wont let us
State legis wouldn't let it happen.
We understand the ISD is a separate situation from the city. There is still a question of the benefit of having SG. Can't tell you how many times I've seen or heard "status quo bad, need change" from supporters without much idea what they actually want to change. We're still in the Parish, still got to deal with EBR government. All the primary services aren't changing. Leaving a vote in the area to wonder what this new government will look to do in order to achieve the "better" we're all looking for.
The SG support needs more like doubleb out there, who's engaging folks with questions and misconceptions with reasonable answers. The general advocacy otherwise has been general conservative platitudes about smaller government and complaints about NBR stealing our tax dollars. Make a positive, reasonable case and you'll get the wishy washy on board most likely.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 4:13 pm to doubleb
Are you trying to say there are not areas on the map completely encircled, but not included in the “City of St. George”? And that said areas are not primarily apartment complexes? That’s what I meant by “circles”. However, I think you knew that.
If there are not areas like that then “St. George” supporters should fire their graphic designers because the maps they are putting out show this.
There are many reasons to be against “St. George”. There could be some reasons to be for it. I have yet to find any compelling so I have not signed a petition. I like my neighborhood fine the way it is.
The main reason supporters have given me for forming the city is then forming an ISD. With the map “St. George” supporters themselves drew, it makes it highly unlikely an ISD would pass court muster, and thinking it would pass parish wide is even less likely.
People should know that before they sign.
If there are not areas like that then “St. George” supporters should fire their graphic designers because the maps they are putting out show this.
There are many reasons to be against “St. George”. There could be some reasons to be for it. I have yet to find any compelling so I have not signed a petition. I like my neighborhood fine the way it is.
The main reason supporters have given me for forming the city is then forming an ISD. With the map “St. George” supporters themselves drew, it makes it highly unlikely an ISD would pass court muster, and thinking it would pass parish wide is even less likely.
People should know that before they sign.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 4:18 pm to SP
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map completely encircled, but not included in the “City of St. George”? And that said areas are not primarily apartment complexes? That’s what I meant by “circles”. However, I think you knew that.
You mean the areas that were annexed by the city? Those areas?
Or are you talking about the areas that had single digit support the first go around so got booted this time?
Posted on 3/29/18 at 4:34 pm to Walkertiger
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Ill pass
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Walkertiger
You're in Walker. Who cares
Posted on 3/29/18 at 4:38 pm to fallguy_1978
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Would you prefer the status quo?
That's EXACTLY what everyone opposing St. George is fighting for. What a worthy goal.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 4:47 pm to SP
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Are you trying to say there are not areas on the map completely encircled, but not included in the “City of St. George”?
Go here to look at the map:
LINK
Zoom out and you can see why these areas weren't included and which streets they are on.
There are areas like the Mall of La., like Jones Creek, like along Coursey where the city limits prohibit SG from including those areas in their proposed city. Other areas not included probably didn't sign the initial partition, but they are all connected to BR or the Parish by a street. None were completely encircled.
There are homes, apartments, commercial businesses "excluded" from SG. It's not just apartments.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 4:54 pm to SP
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There are many reasons to be against “St. George”. There could be some reasons to be for it. I have yet to find any compelling so I have not signed a petition. I like my neighborhood fine the way it is.
That's fine, but others believe they want something better, particularly a better school system
And that's why there will be a vote if the petition succeeds. The majority will rule. If my side loses they lose. That's how a democracy works.
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The main reason supporters have given me for forming the city is then forming an ISD. With the map “St. George” supporters themselves drew, it makes it highly unlikely an ISD would pass court muster, and thinking it would pass parish wide is even less likely
The first map was all of the St. George and East side fire districts, but many citizens in those areas didn't sign the petition; thus the new petition included less area but more area that was for the election to become a city.
No matter what someone is going to sue. You can't stop that. But people have a right to form their own city if they so choose, and people have a right to try an form an ISD if they so choose. Let the people decide and if the courts get in the way shame on them. SG includes black and white families. I don't know the demographics but Central and Zachary were able to pull it off, and I think SG can too.
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People should know that before they sign.
I agree.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 4:54 pm to magildachunks
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SG gets CATS services, but doesn't pay for it.
Bunch of leeches.
This the most asinine comment you have made so far.
No one here in SG asked for CATS service. You have a beef with them running busses here, take it up with CATS. If we had been allowed to vote on the matter, CATS would not even exist.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 5:23 pm to el Gaucho
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They're changing the name to Baton Blanc
OMG I can't quit laughing, I've NEVER heard that joke before...
Posted on 3/29/18 at 5:27 pm to magildachunks
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Lawyers were first brought in by SG to stop annexation of businesses who asked to be annexed, as was their righr.
Link?
BS! Lawyers weren't brought in until the after the ROV certified the petitions
Posted on 3/29/18 at 5:48 pm to doubleb
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And that is why I believe an ISD will have ample time to get its feet on the ground, to get things going and not be overwhelmed initially.
That's another reason too that I don't think there will be a need for a big tax increase. It's not as if all these kids are going to leave school and become public school kids. Sure some will, but certainly not all of them.
Determining how many to expect the first year will be hard to do. It's important that they start out well.
It's a slippery slope with taxes. Louisiana is already 29th in total tax burden. There will be a period of a heavy tax burden for the ISD but I don't think the schools will be instantly better. It will take years to develop new and challenging curriculum with getting better instructors.
During that time period you will have people paying state income tax, higher property taxes, and still paying for private school tuition. This might be a death blow to many families.
St. George needs to have a firm education plan in place and hit the ground running. Have them observe the Houston suburb schools for a year and try to emulate what they are doing.
This post was edited on 3/29/18 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 3/29/18 at 5:48 pm to The Levee
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how much better would life be in St George
It will be HUGE! (in my best Trump voice)
Posted on 3/29/18 at 8:31 pm to beerJeep
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Are you saying that there are no local elections on a city level that only residents of said city can vote on?
City Court and Constable. Nothing of importance like you implied earlier...
Posted on 3/29/18 at 9:28 pm to The Levee
Much like the first attempt, the opposition threatens higher taxes and more government, yet meanwhile most of them live in a city where the leadership overtly asks for.....(drumroll).... higher taxes and more government.
I'd take my chances if I were in SG.
I'd take my chances if I were in SG.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 9:39 pm to dragginass
They are truly hypocritical. That’s why I call them kids. They don’t think things through. They just need to sit back and let the adults save their parish.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 9:57 pm to dragginass
How can you have more government than what we have now. It's so big and bloated now, but yet it's so bad that they have to get outside help to review projects so permits can be issued. You call 211 to get a ditch cleaned and you are lucky to get any service at all even though there a plenty of well paid chiefs in that dept.
I think it's fine to question things, criticize what you don't like, but these guys here who live in BR and who want desperately to keep things as they are and who try to scare voters with misinformation are all too obvious. They don't want prople to have what they have now, their own city. They want to keep control over our tax dollars for their own benefit.
I think it's fine to question things, criticize what you don't like, but these guys here who live in BR and who want desperately to keep things as they are and who try to scare voters with misinformation are all too obvious. They don't want prople to have what they have now, their own city. They want to keep control over our tax dollars for their own benefit.
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