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"Baton Rouge, we have a problem..." - Jim Lovell, Apollo 13 Commander
Posted on 4/29/21 at 8:56 am
Posted on 4/29/21 at 8:56 am
I only found out just recently that Baton Rouge was one of the sites considered to be NASA's mission control center.
Yes, it's Wikipedia, but the article seems pretty solid.
If Lyndon Johnson and another one or two Texas politicians were out of the picture, I suppose Baton Rouge would have had as good of a chance as any to be selected. Good Lord, could you imagine how Baton Rouge could have turned out? A center of space technology, engineering, and education. It could have been glorious!
Yes, it's Wikipedia, but the article seems pretty solid.
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In 1961, Congress held hearings and passed a $1.7 billion 1962 NASA appropriations bill which included $60 million for the new crewed spaceflight laboratory. A set of requirements for the new site was drawn up and released to the Congress and general public. These included: access to water transport by large barges, a moderate climate, availability of all-weather commercial jet service, a well-established industrial complex with supporting technical facilities and labor, close proximity to a culturally attractive community in the vicinity of an institution of higher education, a strong electric utility and water supply, at least 1,000 acres (400 ha) of land, and certain specified cost parameters. In August 1961, Webb asked Associate Director of the Ames Research Center John F. Parsons to head a site-selection team, which included Philip Miller, Wesley Hjornevik, and I. Edward Campagna, the construction engineer for the STG. The team initially came up with a list of 22 cities based on the climate and water criteria, then cut this to a short list of nine with nearby federal facilities:
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Jacksonville, Florida (Green Cove Springs Naval Air Station)
Tampa, Florida (MacDill Air Force Base)
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Shreveport, Louisiana (Barksdale Air Force Base)
Houston, Texas (San Jacinto Ordnance Depot)
Victoria, Texas (FAA Airport; former Foster Air Force Base)
Corpus Christi, Texas (Naval Air Station Corpus Christi)
San Diego, California (Camp Elliott)
San Francisco, California (Benicia Arsenal)
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Another 14 sites were then added, including two additional Houston sites chosen because of proximity to the University of Houston and Rice University. The team visited all 23 sites between August 21 and September 7, 1961.
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Following its tour, the team identified MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa as its first choice, based on the fact the Air Force was planning to close down its Strategic Air Command operations there. The Houston Rice University site was second, and the Benicia Ordnance Depot in San Francisco was third. Before a decision could be made, however, the Air Force decided not to close MacDill, omitting it from consideration and moving the Rice University site to first place. Webb informed President Kennedy on September 14 of the decision made by him and deputy administrator Hugh Dryden in two separate memoranda, one reviewing the criteria and procedures, and the other stating: "Our decision is that this laboratory should be located in Houston, Texas, in close association with Rice University and the other educational institutions there and in that region." The Executive Office and NASA made advance notifications of the award, and the public announcement of the location followed on September 19, 1961. According to Texas A&M University historian Henry C. Dethloff, "Although the Houston site neatly fit the criteria required for the new center, Texas undoubtedly exerted an enormous political influence on such a decision. Lyndon B. Johnson was Vice President and head of the Space Council, Albert Thomas headed the House Appropriations Committee, Bob Casey and Olin E. Teague were members of the House Committee on Science and Astronautics, and Teague headed the Subcommittee on Manned Space Flight. Finally, Sam Rayburn was Speaker of the House of Representatives."
If Lyndon Johnson and another one or two Texas politicians were out of the picture, I suppose Baton Rouge would have had as good of a chance as any to be selected. Good Lord, could you imagine how Baton Rouge could have turned out? A center of space technology, engineering, and education. It could have been glorious!
Posted on 4/29/21 at 8:58 am to TheFonz
Good ole baws wanted too much
Posted on 4/29/21 at 8:58 am to TheFonz
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A center of space technology, engineering, and education.
Isn't that north Baton Rouge already?
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:00 am to TheFonz
Baton Rouge leaders would have turned in down. They had no vision. Look at that risky dink airport, where's the loop?
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:00 am to TheFonz
quote:Probably would've gotten really cool loop like Houston
Good Lord, could you imagine how Baton Rouge could have turned out?
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:00 am to Centinel
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Isn't that north Baton Rouge already?
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Centinel
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:02 am to TheFonz
All of those other locations were based on existing federal facilities... where would that have been in Baton Rouge?
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:02 am to TheFonz
They could have built a loop to connect that with Disney World
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:02 am to TheFonz
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close proximity to a culturally attractive community in the vicinity of an institution of higher education
Welp, cross BR off the list
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:06 am to Centinel
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Isn't that north Baton Rouge already?
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:06 am to A Smoke Break
Excuse me sir, are you implying that north Baton Rouge is not a beacon of education that would suit a NASA mission control especially well?
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:08 am to Centinel
I guess they felt bad and gave New Orleans the Michoud site
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:18 am to Jizzy08
Didn’t matter who was on the list. LBJ was going to have it in Texas no matter who he had to kill
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:18 am to TheFonz
I always heard LBJ pretty much rubber stamped Houston as the site from the beginning. He had way too much pull.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:21 am to TheFonz
So Baton Rouge could have had nasa and Disney world. They made the right decision as someone who is from Baton Rouge
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:21 am to TheFonz
There would have been too many potholes at the launch site. All these decades later they would still be waiting to launch while multiple committees were conducting studies. On the bright side there would probably be live concerts once a week in the control center parking lot.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:34 am to TheFonz
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If Lyndon Johnson and another one or two Texas politicians were out of the picture, I suppose Baton Rouge would have had as good of a chance as any to be selected. Good Lord, could you imagine how Baton Rouge could have turned out? A center of space technology, engineering, and education. It could have been glorious!
Imagine a world where Baton Rouge has Mission Control and Stennis and Michoud. One metro area, all three installations. The Mississippi River provides for a lot of capability.
Mission Control somewhere on the river South of the University. The Michoud type facility right next door to it. The Stennis type facility way out in the middle of nowhere sited on either the Comite or Amite to allow for easy barge access through the lakes and easy road access to HQ.
But no, Louisianians are stupid and keep electing corrupt stupid people into office which leads to nice things going elsewhere.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:47 am to Lithium
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Didn’t matter who was on the list. LBJ was going to have it in Texas no matter who he had to kill
Whom*
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:47 am to TigerstuckinMS
They probably would have closed NASA and Disney anyway and relocated them over time
No way they would have expanded Disney like they did in Florida
No way they would have expanded Disney like they did in Florida
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:56 am to Centinel
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Isn't that north Baton Rouge already?
A space desert to NBR's long list of have nots along with the food desert
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