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re: Baton Rouge PD helicopter crashes in Erwinville (2 dead)
Posted on 3/27/23 at 5:38 am to Huey Lewis
Posted on 3/27/23 at 5:38 am to Huey Lewis
quote:
For posters with aviation knowledge - is it possible based on the flight path map that they could've hit that tower in the dark? Or would an event like that not match up with the flight path map?
It looks to me like they were following 190 either looking for or following the pursuit they were called out to assist on. At the point where the loops are it could either be them hovering over the scene or losing control. Only the FAA will be able to decipher which it was.
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Posted on 3/27/23 at 6:08 am to Obtuse1
I'm not gonna come out and say they're more dangerous than any other aircraft considering how many of them are used in flight training especially the 22 and 44. How many of these crashes were pilot error versus a mechanical issue which could be also human induced(mechanic frick up) versus a design flaw? How many Cessna 150/152s have crashed over the years?(being one of the numerous trainers ever built).
Frank Robinson, the original designer of the R22 got his start at Bell Helicopter. The idea behind the R22 was to make a cheap (as an affordable) aircraft for flight training and utility work.. Crazy Aussies use them to herd sheep and fly around doing some really crazy stuff with them.
All that being said is I don't have a problem flying in one, But that's my own personal opinion. There are plenty of posters on here who said they will never get in a helicopter. I've been doing it for 30 years and have been in one close call due to an engine failure. How many times have you almost been in a bad accident behind the wheel of a car?
Frank Robinson, the original designer of the R22 got his start at Bell Helicopter. The idea behind the R22 was to make a cheap (as an affordable) aircraft for flight training and utility work.. Crazy Aussies use them to herd sheep and fly around doing some really crazy stuff with them.
All that being said is I don't have a problem flying in one, But that's my own personal opinion. There are plenty of posters on here who said they will never get in a helicopter. I've been doing it for 30 years and have been in one close call due to an engine failure. How many times have you almost been in a bad accident behind the wheel of a car?
Posted on 3/27/23 at 7:16 am to Huey Lewis
quote:
For posters with aviation knowledge - is it possible based on the flight path map that they could've hit that tower in the dark? Or would an event like that not match up with the flight path map?
Any tower over 200 feet tall is required to have lights. I don’t know what avionics the R44 has or what BRPD uses as a pilot supplement but any basic electronic flight chart would have a moving map with marked obstacles.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 7:17 am to td1
Basically. Massive incompetence is constantly showing as their issue. It's pretty awful all around.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 8:06 am to DJNOS1978
Here's the FAA ASIAS Report that was just released.
FAA Accident and Incident Notification(s): Notice(s) Created 27-MAR-23
IDENTIFICATION
Date: 26-MAR-23
Time: 07:26:00Z
Regis#: N441PD
Aircraft Make: ROBINSON
Aircraft Model: R44
Event Type: ACCIDENT
Highest Injury: FATAL
Aircraft Missing: No
Damage: DESTROYED
LOCATION
City: PORT ALLEN
State: LOUISIANA
Country: UNITED STATES
DESCRIPTION
Description: AIRCRAFT TAIL ROTOR STRUCK A TREEE AND CRASHED INVERTED IN A FIELD, PORT ALLEN, LA.
INJURY DATA
Total Fatal: 2
Fatal Serious Minor None Unknown
Flight Crew 1 0 0 0 0
Cabin Crew 0 0 0 0 0
Passenger 1 0 0 0 0
Ground 0 0 0 0 0
OTHER
Activity: PUBLIC USE
Flight Phase: EN ROUTE (ENR)
Operation:
Aircraft Operator:
Flight Number:
FAA FSDO: BATON ROUGE FSDO
Entry Date: 27-MAR-23
Updated since entry: No
FAA Accident and Incident Notification(s): Notice(s) Created 27-MAR-23
IDENTIFICATION
Date: 26-MAR-23
Time: 07:26:00Z
Regis#: N441PD
Aircraft Make: ROBINSON
Aircraft Model: R44
Event Type: ACCIDENT
Highest Injury: FATAL
Aircraft Missing: No
Damage: DESTROYED
LOCATION
City: PORT ALLEN
State: LOUISIANA
Country: UNITED STATES
DESCRIPTION
Description: AIRCRAFT TAIL ROTOR STRUCK A TREEE AND CRASHED INVERTED IN A FIELD, PORT ALLEN, LA.
INJURY DATA
Total Fatal: 2
Fatal Serious Minor None Unknown
Flight Crew 1 0 0 0 0
Cabin Crew 0 0 0 0 0
Passenger 1 0 0 0 0
Ground 0 0 0 0 0
OTHER
Activity: PUBLIC USE
Flight Phase: EN ROUTE (ENR)
Operation:
Aircraft Operator:
Flight Number:
FAA FSDO: BATON ROUGE FSDO
Entry Date: 27-MAR-23
Updated since entry: No
Posted on 3/27/23 at 8:15 am to Traveler
This is sad, can you link source? Thanks for finding this.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 8:17 am to redstickrick
See if this works. Agree, very sad. Prayers to crew and family.
ASIAS Report
ASIAS Report
This post was edited on 3/27/23 at 8:19 am
Posted on 3/27/23 at 8:22 am to Traveler
Were these pilots hired by the police department? Or police that went through pilot training?
Posted on 3/27/23 at 8:23 am to Traveler
tail rotor struck a tree? WTF?
Posted on 3/27/23 at 8:25 am to Traveler
A lot of other entries on there say unknown circumstances so someone must be pretty sure they know what happened.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 8:26 am to 225Tyga
quote:
Helicopters are scary.
After 25 years as a fixed wing mechanic, I decided to try rotorcraft.
Tried it for 3 years. Nope not for me. Got out of aviation.
That was 30 years ago, I haven’t flown since.
“Helicopters are scary.”
Posted on 3/27/23 at 8:36 am to redstickrick
It's important to know that this is a Preliminary and not the Final Report and things can change with more investigation and resources, but it appears there is enough evidence so far to make an early determination of cause.
This post was edited on 3/27/23 at 8:46 am
Posted on 3/27/23 at 8:36 am to Breauxsif
quote:
The person at the dispatch center whose responsibility is to remain in communication with the chopper via radio and to track the movement via radar is a colossal frick up.
I wouldnt think a dispatcher has radar at their station. They should have kept comms and alerted someone though.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 8:42 am to kengel2
You'd think Murphy Paul would have at least addressed the comms questions when he gave his initial statement at the crash site yesterday. Perhaps detailing when the last contact with the craft was to shed light on the amount of time it took anyone to know the crash occurred. But instead we got the standard "we're not taking questions at this time" bullshite. Nothing to see here, move along. 
Posted on 3/27/23 at 8:44 am to Traveler
quote:
It's important to know that this is a Preliminary and not the Final Report and things can change with more investigation and resources, but there is enough evidence so far to make an early determination of cause.
Exactly. The flightaware history shows them in a steep climb to 1300 feet. That doesn’t seem normal.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 9:25 am to Traveler
quote:
Description: AIRCRAFT TAIL ROTOR STRUCK A TREEE AND CRASHED INVERTED IN A FIELD, PORT ALLEN, LA.
Their altitude was never lower than 350 feet during the flight. I highly doubt this.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 9:30 am to TheSadvocate
quote:
Their altitude was never lower than 350 feet during the flight. I highly doubt this.
Respectfully, their altitude was way lower than 350 feet at the end of the flight.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 9:33 am to 225Tyga
quote:<——61.5 years old
Helicopters are scary.
So far I have exactly 0.0 total helicopter hours lifetime
Trying to eventually die with the same number.
Sorry to hear of this news for the two folks.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 9:42 am to jafari rastaman
The pilots were police officers who then went to flight school. They had been flying for years. Sad sad day
Posted on 3/27/23 at 9:51 am to MsandLa
I’m an acquaintance of a brpd helicopter pilot. Wasn’t super close to him but would chat with him everytime I ran into him. I hope it’s not him. Have names been released yet?
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