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re: Baton Rouge, Louisiana is now off of the hook
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:17 am to meauxjeaux2
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:17 am to meauxjeaux2
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holy frick. How do some of you come up with shite like this in these threads.
What?
The NRA likes to point out that firearms are not the problem...criminals are. I agree. Therefore, a legally possessed firearm ought to pose far less of a threat to be used in a crime than one owned illegally.
In this case, the guy has a CCL and informs the LEO he's carrying. Given what we essentially know about the rare instances where legally owned firearms are used in crimes, should it not stand to reason this guy was less of a threat to use the already declared firearm?
What part of that is controversial?
Many of the folks who are now suggesting he posed a threat since he had this gun in his car also like to agree with the NRA' position. It's inconsistent. If you agree with their point about legally owned firearms, then you ought to be siding with the guy who informed the LEO about his legally owned firearm and be far more likely to believe that as a law abiding gun owner he was unlikely to reach for it and harm the officer.
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Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:18 am to LNCHBOX
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It's unlikely, but it's stupid to not listen to what you're told to do. I don't expect a cop to risk his life when you decide to not listen.
It's more than unlikely. I don't expect a cop to risk his life either, but I'm getting tired of how low the threshold for "life threatening" has become.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:18 am to slackster
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I'm getting tired of how low the threshold for "life threatening" has become.
this
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:18 am to OysterPoBoy
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All we know is what happened when it was over. I don't know why everyone assumes the passenger's story is accurate.
I think it comes off pretty credible.
The streaming aspect is the most bizarre part, but to a lot of Americans who are obsessed with social media, it may not.
But the story and how she was intent on creating a record seems difficult to create on the fly and therefore strikes me either as:
1) Close to the truth (more likely)
2) The product of advocacy and planning (less likely)
I'm not saying she planned to have her BF killed, but if she's a BLM person she may have had conversations and thoughts about what to do and what story to tell if something like this happened.
But again, I think that's unlikely.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:19 am to stlslick
It's sticky situation- either support the cops (who are mostly NRA supporters) or CCL holders- also NRA supporters. Lose-lose.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:20 am to slackster
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I don't expect a cop to risk his life either, but I'm getting tired of how low the threshold for "life threatening" has become.
What is the alternative? Let the guy get his gun in his hand before firing, hoping you react quickly enough? Shootings of actual innocents happens so infrequently. We may have a legit case here, but that doesn't make it the norm.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:21 am to NYNolaguy1
The cop just killed someone. Most likely the first time he's even fired his gun at a person. I'll give him a pass on being panicky afterwards.
I don't know if he was right or wrong. There's no way to tell from the video.
I don't know if he was right or wrong. There's no way to tell from the video.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:21 am to LNCHBOX
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Where did he say the cop was in the right?
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why can't people just comply.
everyone is a smartass now a days and doesn't want to follow an order.
I read that as if Nado is assuming the driver didn't comply.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:21 am to OysterPoBoy
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All we know is what happened when it was over. I don't know why everyone assumes the passenger's story is accurate.
Yeah I'll wait to hear the facts like always. But if her story is accurate, then he's done. Cop saying "I told him not to reach" and her saying he told him to get his license doesn't add up. We'll see...
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:21 am to LNCHBOX
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Let the guy get his gun in his hand before firing
doesn't have to be completely in his hand, but at least confirm that he is going for the gun
you are already drawn on him, you have the advantage, unless he is some wild west gun slinger he isn't going to be able to draw on you quicker than you can pull the trigger
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:22 am to Salmon
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doesn't have to be completely in his hand, but at least confirm that he is going for the gun
So wait and see? quote:
you are already drawn on him, you have the advantage, unless he is some wild west gun slinger he isn't going to be able to draw on you quicker than you can pull the trigger
It's amazing how easy it is for some of yall to Monday morning QB these situations.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:23 am to NYNolaguy1
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I read that as if Nado is assuming the driver didn't comply.
Complying doesn't mean you think he's right. I've complied with officers that I thought were wrong before. Nothing good comes from not complying.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:23 am to Salmon
so quick question for the standard in which a cop is justified to kill someone
the other day I got pulled over by a trooper for speeding (I wasn't speeding) and he ordered me out of the car while he hid behind his door
as I was getting out, I hear my daughter start crying because she is confused so I open the backdoor to check on her before going to the back of the car
if the cop shot me there, would y'all say it was justified?
the other day I got pulled over by a trooper for speeding (I wasn't speeding) and he ordered me out of the car while he hid behind his door
as I was getting out, I hear my daughter start crying because she is confused so I open the backdoor to check on her before going to the back of the car
if the cop shot me there, would y'all say it was justified?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:24 am to Salmon
No
Eta: If he's telling you to go to the back of the car and you stop and open your back door and lean in, I have to imagine he's gonna be yelling at you to stop. If you keep it up then I could see him thinking you're going for a gun.
Eta: If he's telling you to go to the back of the car and you stop and open your back door and lean in, I have to imagine he's gonna be yelling at you to stop. If you keep it up then I could see him thinking you're going for a gun.
This post was edited on 7/7/16 at 9:28 am
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:25 am to LNCHBOX
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So wait and see?
yes
I prefer that over shoot and ask questions later
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It's amazing how easy it is for some of yall to Monday morning QB these situations.
just describing the situation
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:25 am to LNCHBOX
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Someone at the top of a few pages ago said there is no body cam. I haven't seen that anywhere though.
I read on CNN that this county doesn't require body cams. Take it with a grain of salt
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:25 am to Salmon
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the other day I got pulled over by a trooper for speeding (I wasn't speeding)
Really, they just got the wrong car?
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as I was getting out, I hear my daughter start crying because she is confused so I open the backdoor to check on her before going to the back of the car
if the cop shot me there, would y'all say it was justified?
It's pretty stupid on your part, and you opened yourself up to that possibility.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:25 am to LNCHBOX
Just curious, but is there factual evidence that he was a straight A student and that he had no criminal record?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:26 am to LNCHBOX
quote:Just like when he wanted that cop to be bitten by the vicious breed dog before shooting.
doesn't have to be completely in his hand, but at least confirm that he is going for the gun
So wait and see?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:26 am to Salmon
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if the cop shot me there, would y'all say it was justified?
are you black?
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