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Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:39 am to thegreatboudini
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I'm talking about the dead guy. People are claiming he had no criminal record and was a straight A student in high school.
Yeah, I was being purposely dense because your question is totally irrelevant to whether or not this guy was justifiably killed.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:41 am to 7thWardTiger
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Yeah because the cop should fear for his life over a minor traffic stop when the guy did everything right(informing him that he has a CCL and that he was carrying) and told the cop he's just reaching for his wallet. You think someone who is going to shoot a cop is gonna tell the cop before hand he has a gun. You think someone getting a busted tail light ticket with his gf and child in the car is gonna escalate it and kill a cop in broad fricking day light? Be serious man
White Cops who are scared of black people shouldn't be cops.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:41 am to Salmon
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all cops have more than basic EMT training these days
Uhhhhhhh..........no
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:41 am to NYNolaguy1
the guy from Minnesota is getting local play and media time.
he grew up in St.Louis and went to Berkeley HS, it's about 10ish minutes from Ferguson.
he grew up in St.Louis and went to Berkeley HS, it's about 10ish minutes from Ferguson.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:42 am to kengel2
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Uhhhhhhh..........no
they don't?
all the ones I know do
and if they don't, why the hell wouldn't they? seems like something a cop should be trained on
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:42 am to NYNolaguy1
I've told an officer i had a gun in the vehicle before. Mainly b/c it was sitting on the passenger seat and not in the console so i didn't want him to freak out, so i told him immediately.
I said "i want you to know there's a pistol on the passenger seat and it's loaded. Can i step out of the vehicle?"
He said "keep your hands up where i can see them and exit the vehicle".
I did as he said and exited, he asked me if i had a weapon on my person, i said no, he asked if he could pat me down, i said sure, he did, he then looked at the gun in the car, asked me if it was registered, i said yes, talked about the gun for a while, didn't give me a ticket for speeding, and we both went about our day.
If there was a weapon on me, and an officer knew that, my hands would be as high to the sky as possible and at no point would i put my hands anywhere near the weapon.
I said "i want you to know there's a pistol on the passenger seat and it's loaded. Can i step out of the vehicle?"
He said "keep your hands up where i can see them and exit the vehicle".
I did as he said and exited, he asked me if i had a weapon on my person, i said no, he asked if he could pat me down, i said sure, he did, he then looked at the gun in the car, asked me if it was registered, i said yes, talked about the gun for a while, didn't give me a ticket for speeding, and we both went about our day.
If there was a weapon on me, and an officer knew that, my hands would be as high to the sky as possible and at no point would i put my hands anywhere near the weapon.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:43 am to Salmon
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they don't?
all the ones I know do
and if they don't, why the hell wouldn't they? seems like something a cop should be trained on
To be fair they are trained to shoot to kill. Under that pretense they shouldn't need EMT training.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:44 am to thegreatboudini
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I'm talking about the dead guy. People are claiming he had no criminal record and was a straight A student in high school.
so we aren't going to mention this little nugget?
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Reynolds: I got … the Roseville Police got me handcuffed, my phone is about to die. I’m on Larpenteur and Fry and the Roseville Police Department just shot my boyfriend. They shot him four times. He has a license to carry. We had a busted tail light. And we had some weed in the car that’s about it.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:44 am to NYNolaguy1
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Why are you assuming he didn't comply? Because the cop said so?
why would he shoot if he did?
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Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:44 am to NYNolaguy1
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To be fair they are trained to shoot to kill. Under that pretense they shouldn't need EMT training.
cops respond to wrecks, accidents, shootings, etc all the time
sometimes they are first on the scene
it seems obvious that cops would have some level of EMT training
firemen are almost fully EMT trained
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:45 am to Salmon
quote:i think huge liability is the issue when you start messing with dying people bro.
they don't?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:45 am to TeddyPadillac
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I've told an officer i had a gun in the vehicle before. Mainly b/c it was sitting on the passenger seat and not in the console so i didn't want him to freak out, so i told him immediately.
I said "i want you to know there's a pistol on the passenger seat and it's loaded. Can i step out of the vehicle?"
He said "keep your hands up where i can see them and exit the vehicle".
I did as he said and exited, he asked me if i had a weapon on my person, i said no, he asked if he could pat me down, i said sure, he did, he then looked at the gun in the car, asked me if it was registered, i said yes, talked about the gun for a while, didn't give me a ticket for speeding, and we both went about our day.
You live in the South huh? I can guarantee you, this is not always how it would go up north in NYC or Massachusetts. Cops do not regularly interact with legal carriers up there, and get real edgy pretty quick. There is a cultural fear of guns in many places up there, and this plays out in the policing.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:45 am to LNCHBOX
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Really, they just got the wrong car?
Happened to my parents before when I was in the car with them.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:45 am to TeddyPadillac
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Reynolds: I got … the Roseville Police got me handcuffed, my phone is about to die. I’m on Larpenteur and Fry and the Roseville Police Department just shot my boyfriend. They shot him four times. He has a license to carry. We had a busted tail light. And we had some weed in the car that’s about it.
so now weed is bad according to the OT?
I thought we were all for the legalization of weed?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:46 am to slackster
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I don't expect a cop to risk his life either, but I'm getting tired of how low the threshold for "life threatening" has become.
They technically risk their life every day they're on duty.
I really don't blame cops for being more on edge these days considering many folks they deal with have no respect for them nor will they follow a simple order.
That said, if the cop just went willy nilly and shot him then he definitely deserves punishment but again I'm waiting to see the full picture instead of just the aftermath from one biased party.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:46 am to Salmon
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White Cops who are scared of black people shouldn't be cops.
as are asian cops, hispanic cops, and black cops themselves.
So who's going to patrol the neighborhoods??
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:46 am to Nado Jenkins83
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why would he shoot if he did?
Maybe he panicked and lot control
. Watch the gas station video of the guy getting shot when reaching for his wallet (after being directed to). It wouldn't be the first time someone got shot complying with police orders.Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:47 am to piggilicious
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I really don't blame cops for being more on edge these days considering many folks they deal with have no respect for them nor will they follow a simple order.
seems if a guy announces that a weapon is in the vehicle he is being respectful, no?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:47 am to LNCHBOX
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Shootings of actual innocents happens so infrequently.
Shootings where the officer is indicted and found guilty happen infrequently, but that is only part of the story. The issue is all of the situations where it can be a "grey area" and the cop gets the benefit of the doubt.
I don't doubt that the officer in this case was scared out of his mind, and he may have legitimately feared for his life, but when someone is killed as a result, we've got to be meticulous.
For instance, let's say the gun was in the glove box and he told the officer it was in the glove box. The cop has his weapon drawn. If the victim opens the glove box without any explanation, you're justified by shooting him. I can live with that threshold. I cannot live with the threshold being "don't make any sudden movements." You shouldn't have free reign to kill someone because they "may" have been going for a weapon that you cannot even see.
I know others will disagree, but when you're going to take someone's life, you better see the gun and the gun needs to be readily available. The BR situation is a great example - visible gun and suspect has his right arm freed near the weapon in close combat, therefore it is justified. It doesn't take much effort to see how close it was to a disaster.
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