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Banks lending appears to be low enough to indicate we are in a recession.

Posted on 12/5/23 at 2:24 pm
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 2:24 pm
It's not perfectly correlated but generally the steep decline in bank lending precedes recession:



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Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
101712 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 2:28 pm to
And the administration will move the goalposts for what constitutes a recession again shortly.
Posted by Sam Quint
Member since Sep 2022
6981 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 2:29 pm to
you cant be in a recession under a democrat presidency. everyone knows that.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
62929 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 2:32 pm to
quote:

And the administration will move the goalposts for what constitutes a recession again shortly.


They're just going to gaslight and then double down on gaslighting. These people think words dictate reality so they'll keep repeating what they want you to believe instead of what is reality.
Posted by bad93ex
Walnut Cove
Member since Sep 2018
30747 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 2:34 pm to
We are not in a recession, I repeat we are not…

*hey look at this shiny thing over here!*
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
175630 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 2:36 pm to
Credit card spending has collapsed

And has officially entered contraction territory



Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
10856 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 2:36 pm to
There is one economic measure that cannot easily be gamed: tax revenue collections. Look around and see how that’s going.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
132824 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 2:39 pm to
quote:

There is one economic measure that cannot easily be gamed: tax revenue collections.
Good point.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11626 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 2:40 pm to
It's a leading indicator of disinflation/deflation which means lower growth. Fun part is the US Treasury is crowding out private sector investment right because risk free rates are higher than they've been in quite a while so the issue is going to be way worse than it typically should be.
Posted by Wermanium
Member since Apr 2016
760 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 2:45 pm to
I could have told you we are in a recession.

Posted by tigersbh
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
12002 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 2:48 pm to
That’s impossible. The definition of a recession is negative growth 2 quarters in a row when the president is a Republican.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
70268 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 2:54 pm to
It's almost like higher interest rates result in less borrowing. Someone should do a podcast about that.
Posted by H2O Tiger
Delta Sky Club
Member since May 2021
6843 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 3:04 pm to
quote:

Credit card spending has collapsed


My wife is doing her part to help reverse this
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
101712 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 3:06 pm to
Can’t spend if you have reached or breached the limit.
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17865 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 3:14 pm to
Glad to hear where about to find out more about aliens.
Posted by 3nOut
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Jan 2013
30715 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 3:16 pm to
quote:

And the administration will move the goalposts for what constitutes a recession again shortly.



we've been in a recession for the better part of the last couple of years, by the literal definition and what most people are feeling in the pocket books.


people just don't want to admit it.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
55459 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 3:19 pm to
quote:

Credit card spending has collapsed


Maybe, but maybe not.



Consumers are still buying, but the rise in card delinquencies may be a signal that such buying levels are coming to an end (at least for a little while) as consumers face ~20% interest rates on those cards plus many having to resume their student loan repayments.

As someone else posted, the real tell is going to be tax revenues: currently they look to be ~5%-~6% lower than this time last year.
This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 3:21 pm
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