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re: Auto Board: FRAM Oil Filters have started becoming Unobtanium

Posted on 5/4/26 at 11:39 am to
Posted by Uncommon Idea
Member since Feb 2025
379 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 11:39 am to
I don't think that's gonna change anytime soon.

Their parent company has been rocked by a bankruptcy filing in 2025 and a fraud scandal that has led to 4 executives being indicted with 2 of them already pleading guilty and cooperating with authorities.

First Brands' former CFO pleads guilty in fraud case

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Stephen Graham is the former CFO of beleaguered First Brands Group. He is the fourth executive indicted and the second to plead guilty and cooperate with prosecutors.

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First Brands, which owns more than 20 brands in the automotive and heavy-duty aftermarket, filed for bankruptcy in September. Since then, two former executives — brothers Patrick and Edward James — were indicted in alleged bank fraud involving $2 billion unaccounted for on the company's books. Another former executive, Peter Andrew Brumbergs, has also plead guilty and is cooperating with prosecutors.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19554 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 11:53 am to
Not being snarky, but the whole Toyota having manufacturing problems with engines is now to a point that it's throwing rocks in a glass house if you try to call out another make. That's been common knowledge for a while and my household has Toyota, GM, and Ford in the driveway too. As for the whole Titan thing, I made the mistake of repeating something I read as a member of TitanTalk a loooong time ago but my point still stood, the Titans had absolutely weak transmissions and rear axles even at the factory power levels.
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
29819 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 12:07 pm to
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Titans had absolutely weak transmissions and rear axles even at the factory power levels.


I never had a first gen transmission so no comment there. But I'm pushing 460ish hp through an M226 rear end on 35s...and I'm approaching 220k miles.

I simply don't understand how a modified dana 44 with larger axles and a higher spline count could be considered considered weak.

As for stones.... Unfortunately every manufacturer is currently making bullshite.
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
74805 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 12:10 pm to
BigFilta tooling y’all.

Break away from the eternal dependency and go filterless.

It’s beautiful here on the free flowing side!!!!
Posted by Traveler
I'm not late-I'm early for tomorrow
Member since Sep 2003
26388 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 12:54 pm to
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Anyone have an issue with MobilOne filters? It’s what I use.


20 years with Mobil 1 oil & filter on this engine. Blackstone lab analysis on every other oil and filter change. All parameters have remained well below average levels.
That is good enough for me to stay with it.
Posted by Pfft
Member since Jul 2014
5062 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 1:32 pm to
Exactly, filterless and a magnetic drain plug is all you need.
Posted by Stat M Repairman
Member since Jun 2023
2801 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 1:39 pm to
See posts all the time on r/justrolledintotheshop about people getting counterfeit filters off places like Amazon and eBay and having them leak.
Posted by Traveler
I'm not late-I'm early for tomorrow
Member since Sep 2003
26388 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 1:47 pm to
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I imagine that whatever brand those zippy oil change places use is the worst oil filter brand.


That is if they even bother to change the filter in the first place. Don't think for a minute it doesn't happen.
Posted by White Bear
probably
Member since Jul 2014
17615 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 1:53 pm to
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Exactly, filterless and a magnetic drain plug is all you need.
I’d reckon this technology is what initially led to moterearl filtration.

Oil change intervals are merely suggestions anyhow.
This post was edited on 5/4/26 at 1:55 pm
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Savannah
Member since Sep 2012
20282 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 2:01 pm to
shite filter.

Wix is legit.
Posted by TheRealTigerHorn
Member since Jun 2023
385 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 2:13 pm to
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If anything I would say Toyota is more of an actual screw up.

Ford and GM is more of a refusal to admit thin oils are causing problems


Ford has had its problems with defective parts (valves on the 2.7 for one) and cam phasers (though the instances of phaser failures with correct oil change intervals and the right oil are pretty low).

GM has an AFM problem that is partially mitigated by by changing oil weight which ALSO changes the way the electro-hydraulic variable cam timing system behaves. This has nothing to do with the oil being "too thin" for the bearings, it has everything to do with changing the max loads those bearings see by lopping the ends off the cam advance/retard curve with a heavier oil.

Please stop repeating the "thin oil" myth. Film strength of a modern 0W-20 synthetic is FAR beyond that of any dino oil that your daddy used 20 years ago.
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
39577 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 2:22 pm to
You're correct of course, because, bottom line, you can't compress fluid.

I think people are making the assumption about thin oil being the culprit because that was around the time engine problems started to reappear.

IMO, everyone started chasing less mass/fuel efficiency and that coupled with close tolerances got us where we are today.
This post was edited on 5/4/26 at 2:27 pm
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19554 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 8:43 pm to
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I simply don't understand how a modified dana 44 with larger axles and a higher spline count could be considered considered weak.



There was a picture taken at a Nissan dealership where a pile of new Titan rear axles assemblies were piled up next to a dumpster, some still in the wooden shipping crates. Dana 44's aren't much of a step stronger than GM 10-bolts which are not particularly strong of themselves.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
72080 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 8:48 pm to
The problem is variable displacement oil pumps to meet rediculous CAFE standards. It drives so many downstream issues, which lead to rediculous things like toyota having engine manufacturing issues.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
74240 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 8:50 pm to
Fram aren't that great.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19554 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 8:52 pm to
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electro-hydraulic


This is where most of the problems have come along, across all makes. Engine oil, historically, was only a lubrication and cooling fluid in the engine. The few engines that used it as a hydraulic fluid only did so under limited circumstances and in an era when shorter OCI's were the norm. Modern era engines that use engine oil as a hydraulic fluid for cam phasing/etc are using it for that purpose almost continuously and also calling for longer OCI's. Unlike engine oil, hydraulic systems need absolutely clean oil, this is understood in industrial applications but lagged behind in light-duty passenger vehicles.
Posted by TygerLyfe
Member since May 2023
3926 posts
Posted on 5/5/26 at 6:38 am to
I've used motocraft filters for eons, no issues. Just tough to find sometimes.
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