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re: Autism among the Amish people
Posted on 7/12/23 at 1:49 pm to dr
Posted on 7/12/23 at 1:49 pm to dr
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sauce?
Looks like I misremembered the guy getting locked up for fraud, although there are certainly other antivaxx grifters who have gone to prison for fraud.
But Andrew Wakefield was de-licensed, 10/12 of his coauthors came out in 2004 to retract their interpretation of his “findings”, and like I said this has been continually debunked over the last 20 years. If you need anymore sources than the ones I’ve provided below the let me know, there are hundreds of articles from legitimate and respected medical sources that I can link
Time
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The vaccine-autism myth is one chilling example of fraudulent science. February 28, 2018 marks the 20th anniversary of an infamous article published in the prestigious medical journal, The Lancet, in which Andrew Wakefield, a former British doctor, falsely linked the MMR (measles, mumps and rubella) vaccine to autism. The paper eventually was retracted by the co-authors and the journal. Wakefield was de-licensed by medical authorities for his deceit and “callous disregard” for children in his care.
Mayo Clinic
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Vaccines do not cause autism. A small study in 1998 suggested a link between vaccinations and autism spectrum disorder. The study was reviewed further and retracted. In addition, the author's medical license was revoked due to falsified information.
Since then, numerous studies have debunked a connection between autism and the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine.
In April 2015, JAMA published the largest study to date, analyzing the health records of over 95,000 children. About 2,000 of those children were classified at risk for autism because they had a sibling already diagnosed with autism. The study confirmed that the MMR vaccine did not increase the risk for autism spectrum disorder.
British Medical Journal
This one is an academic paper published in the most respected medical journal in the world that’s existed since 1840. They link 25 sources at the bottom of the article, and even provide a picture of the original 1998 article by Andrew Wakefield
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Authored by Andrew Wakefield and 12 others, the paper’s scientific limitations were clear when it appeared in 1998.2 3 As the ensuing vaccine scare took off, critics quickly pointed out that the paper was a small case series with no controls, linked three common conditions, and relied on parental recall and beliefs.4 Over the following decade, epidemiological studies consistently found no evidence of a link between the MMR vaccine and autism.5 6 7 8 By the time the paper was finally retracted 12 years later,9 after forensic dissection at the General Medical Council’s (GMC) longest ever fitness to practise hearing,10 few people could deny that it was fatally flawed both scientifically and ethically.
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The Office of Research Integrity in the United States defines fraud as fabrication, falsification, or plagiarism.13 Deer unearthed clear evidence of falsification. He found that not one of the 12 cases reported in the 1998 Lancet paper was free of misrepresentation or undisclosed alteration, and that in no single case could the medical records be fully reconciled with the descriptions, diagnoses, or histories published in the journal.
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Posted on 7/12/23 at 1:49 pm to theunknownknight
Washingtonexaminer.com
This is an article by Dr. Debra Soh. She has an article about the connection between autism and trans people.
This is an article by Dr. Debra Soh. She has an article about the connection between autism and trans people.
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There is a well-documented link between gender dysphoria and autism spectrum disorder, and a new study published in the academic journal Pediatrics offers evidence for it.
Autism is a neurodevelopmental condition characterized by difficulties in social communication and emotion processing, as well as restricted interests and repetitive behaviors. The latest paper incorporated an extremely large sample, consisting of over 919,000 adolescents between the ages of 9 and 18. It found that youth diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder were more likely to receive a diagnosis of gender dysphoria and that this is particularly true among girls.
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Why is there such an overlap between the two conditions and especially among female adolescents?
First, autism is associated with masculinization of the brain, so it makes sense why girls with autism would lean toward being more male-typical.
Second, one of autism’s hallmark characteristics is a lack of conformity to social norms. As a result, those with autism tend to be more comfortable expressing gender nonconformity in their activities and outward appearance. This, in combination with other well-known symptoms, including rigidity and black-and-white thinking, can lead some to believe that if they have gender-atypical interests, they actually are the opposite sex or not their birth sex.
Girls with autism are more likely to be misdiagnosed or have their condition remain undiagnosed until later in life. This is because the diagnostic criteria for autism were based on what is typically observed in boys with the condition. Women are also more adept at hiding their symptoms, a phenomenon that is known as "masking," to blend in with their peers.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 1:50 pm to JasonDBlaha
quote:The numbers would have to be right up there with the Fundamentalist Latter-Day Saints (FLDS) communities. Who like the Amish are a very closed society with vast cultural differences than the normal population.
Look up how many Amish children are born with cognitive disabilities and birth defects due to inbreeding
Posted on 7/12/23 at 1:51 pm to Aubie Spr96
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Links?
See my response to username “dr” on the top of page 4
Posted on 7/12/23 at 1:52 pm to theunknownknight
I think with the rise in Autism awareness, more people are seeking diagnoses. Or they’re doing it for victim clout
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:01 pm to theunknownknight
Have not read all the comments.
But here's something to consider:
I found this chart in the rates Cable TV subscriptions vs. mental retardation and autistic rates from 1972-1992.
As increase (x20) autistic trend is correlated with increased exposure to television.
This may not mean much, but perhaps electromagnetic field exposure given off by electronic devices at an early age may interfere with certain neurological development?
If we shift to the present, we are saturated with electromagnetic fields from our cell phones and cell signals, and iPads, laptops, computers, high-powered Wi-Fi signals.
Perhaps, the electromagnetic fields given off from our devices and wireless cell and Wi-Fi signals can negatively affect neurodevelopment of gestating fetus in-utero or early infant level and some babies are more sensitive than others.
If your household Wi-Fi is powerful enough to stream HD movies to multiple devices through several walls in your house, that signal can easily penetrate the womb of a developing fetus.
I wonder if the rates of autism in societies with very limited electronic saturation like the indigenous tribes in the Amazon, rural Africa will mirror the Amish.
According to Alaskan data:
That's 1 in 167 children in Alaska which is 2.5x lower than the general USA rates in 2015.
Just a thought...
But here's something to consider:
I found this chart in the rates Cable TV subscriptions vs. mental retardation and autistic rates from 1972-1992.
As increase (x20) autistic trend is correlated with increased exposure to television.
This may not mean much, but perhaps electromagnetic field exposure given off by electronic devices at an early age may interfere with certain neurological development?
If we shift to the present, we are saturated with electromagnetic fields from our cell phones and cell signals, and iPads, laptops, computers, high-powered Wi-Fi signals.
Perhaps, the electromagnetic fields given off from our devices and wireless cell and Wi-Fi signals can negatively affect neurodevelopment of gestating fetus in-utero or early infant level and some babies are more sensitive than others.
If your household Wi-Fi is powerful enough to stream HD movies to multiple devices through several walls in your house, that signal can easily penetrate the womb of a developing fetus.
I wonder if the rates of autism in societies with very limited electronic saturation like the indigenous tribes in the Amazon, rural Africa will mirror the Amish.
According to Alaskan data:
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Alaska Governor's Council on Disabilities and Special Education estimates that about 60 of the 10,000 children born in Alaska each year will develop an autism spectrum disorder.
That's 1 in 167 children in Alaska which is 2.5x lower than the general USA rates in 2015.
Just a thought...
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:08 pm to alajones
I’d say it’s partly modern lifestyle
However you are not wrong. For instance, autism is now defined as ASD and falls under a spectrum. Under this spectrum Asperger’s is also included (as of the latest DSM). Clinically I still think they are different despite having some similarities
However you are not wrong. For instance, autism is now defined as ASD and falls under a spectrum. Under this spectrum Asperger’s is also included (as of the latest DSM). Clinically I still think they are different despite having some similarities
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:12 pm to lsucoonass
I am of the mind (with all the latest studies on gut health and how that affects our overall physiology in ways we had never dreamed of in the past) that gut health could be a leading factor
It’s known that genetics can lead to certain predispositions in how people process and digest certain foods so that could explain the genetic link. With the rise of such bad diets and c-sections (which destroy gut health in infants), this could explain the environmental increases.
It’s known that genetics can lead to certain predispositions in how people process and digest certain foods so that could explain the genetic link. With the rise of such bad diets and c-sections (which destroy gut health in infants), this could explain the environmental increases.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:15 pm to theunknownknight
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What is it about our modern lifestyle that is causing the rates of autism to increase so rapidly?
What we consider to be autism.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:18 pm to boddagetta
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I suggest you go back and read the OP & results of the study. Then re-read the post you replied to.
please show me in the study where it mentioned food as the driver of the this?
op asked for opinions....person i replied to suggested chemicals in the food
yet
the amish are known to grow their own food, raise their own livestock, and to live like its the 1800s still....yet he blames modern food.
so again i ask....if the amish grow and process their food the same way they did decades ago....how is modern good causing the rates of austim in the amish community to rise?
personal opinion its the way its being screened and reported along with lots of inbreeding within the community due to lack of access to partners.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:18 pm to imjustafatkid
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What we consider to be autism.
There are two studies referenced in this thread alone that undermine that point to a degree
When comparing different groups using the SAME measures at the SAME time the Amish were 3 times less likely and Alaskans were 2.5 times less likely to have autism.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:25 pm to alajones
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IMO, It’s not the modern lifestyle, (diet, vaccines)it’s the definition that’s changing.
It’s not an opinion. It’s science.
This is also nothing new. Science has literally advanced knowledge and further defined the unknown since humans have existed.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:33 pm to theunknownknight
More diagnosed kids with ADHD, Autism, etc, the more drugs and "treatments" Big Pharm and Big Health Care can sell you at a premium
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:36 pm to theunknownknight
I texted both your OP and the link to a PA friend who lives adjacent to one of their communities and she said:
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Well they are severely inbred so I wouldn't be shocked by any illness or problem. We have some around here that are born without upper teeth. But I'd still call that study iffy, because how do you judge social skills of people who are not within our society? Like, on a scale of 1 to 10 how likely are your children to join a singalong with friends? "We don't sing." Get what I mean? It's flawed from the start regardless of whether they actually are autistic.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:42 pm to lsu777
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so again i ask....if the amish grow and process their food the same way they did decades ago....how is modern good causing the rates of austim in the amish community to rise?
The study is about the disproportionate rise in autism in the rest of America vs. the Amish, you mongoloid.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:43 pm to Lokistale
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wonder if the rates of autism in societies with very limited electronic saturation like the indigenous tribes in the Amazon, rural Africa will mirror the Amish.
Or… societies with lots electronics are wealthier and have more resources… resources that can be used to spot autism.
I know as humans we are wired to look for patterns… it’s what kept our ancestors alive when being hunted by saber toothed tigers or some shite… BUT… correlation does not necessarily equal causation.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:44 pm to Gifman
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vaccines do carry the risk of autism.
No they fricking do not.
And that's coming from a pure blood.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:46 pm to theunknownknight
Our food is full of toxins brother, if you want to go down that rabbit hole look at the blood toxin studies. Even vegetarians are full of it.
As long as you don’t eat any food here, drink the water or breathe the air you will probably be ok.
As long as you don’t eat any food here, drink the water or breathe the air you will probably be ok.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:50 pm to theunknownknight
Isn’t a part of that the definition of autism has become very broad over time?
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:51 pm to theunknownknight
Now do transgender
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