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re: Attended Catholic Church for the first time in a while and it wasn't the same
Posted on 12/26/18 at 9:39 pm to Upperdecker
Posted on 12/26/18 at 9:39 pm to Upperdecker
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Doesn’t mean he needs to go to Catholic Church though. And I’m a Catholic, but I’m questioning whether I should stay with it or switch to another denomination
I’m sure there are plenty of denominations with sin-free pastors and flocks.
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Posted on 12/26/18 at 9:50 pm to foshizzle
The dioceses are self-insured and when that runs out they are declaring bankruptcy.
Zero dollars of the current weekly collection are going to pay abuse cases.
Zero dollars of the current weekly collection are going to pay abuse cases.
Posted on 12/26/18 at 10:40 pm to al_cajun
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I haven't been to a catholic mass in a while and have been attending orthodox church.
Holy Trinity or St. Matthew?
Posted on 12/26/18 at 11:01 pm to Scooba
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Not sure if you were directing this to me but regardless of your translation of (rock), it seems pretty obvious that Jesus intended for Peter to start the Roman Catholic Church.
Or, he was telling his gathered disciples that the rock upon which they can and should build the church upon is the fact that He is Christ, the Son of God. Regardless of the interpretation, what not only the Catholic Church, but many others have come to represent is a grotesque caricature of the faith that Jesus harbored and nurtured, to include unmitigated evil, such as fleecing those seeking redemption, and not only enabling, but propagating the heinous abuse of children.
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Im confused as to why some posters don’t think religion is necessary. How would you know these stories today if it weren’t for Peter, the writers of the Bible and the other disciples carrying it on.
As with many other constructs of man, over time corruption, pride, greed, and all of the other failures of man, make what once was beneficial to all mankind become so corrupted and wicked that it becomes the exact opposite.
Posted on 12/27/18 at 12:14 am to troyt37
Been a while. Do they still say the mass in Latin?
Posted on 12/27/18 at 4:19 am to al_cajun
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This post was edited on 6/14/20 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 12/27/18 at 4:51 am to al_cajun
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know the church has a whole stands for good
Evidence says this is incorrect.
Posted on 12/27/18 at 5:09 am to SportsGuyNOLA
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I’ve never understood people switching between different Christian denominations. They’re all pretty much the same thing.
Actually, there are substantial differences between the Christian denominations and their interpretation of scripture. From understanding of/requirements of salvation & eternal life all the way to the governance of the individual local church, some are very different than others.
Martin Luther's start of the Reformation opened the door for individuals to have freedom to interpret scripture as they feel God directs. That has led to many minor and some major differences. I encourage you to explore the scripture to see how God would lead you instead of just "accepting" the tradition.
Posted on 12/27/18 at 5:14 am to LongTime Tiger
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Actually, there are substantial differences between the Christian denominations and their interpretation of scripture. From understanding of/requirements of salvation & eternal life all the way to the governance of the individual local church, some are very different than others.
Martin Luther's start of the Reformation opened the door for individuals to have freedom to interpret scripture as they feel God directs. That has led to many minor and some major differences. I encourage you to explore the scripture to see how God would lead you instead of just "accepting" the tradition.
Nailed it.
Posted on 12/27/18 at 5:15 am to al_cajun
I thought this was going to be about the electric guitars and shite.
This post was edited on 12/27/18 at 5:16 am
Posted on 12/27/18 at 6:38 am to avondale88
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I was raised Catholic and went to a Catholic school from elementary to high school. When I was sitting in Mass several years ago, I started wondering if this "new" priest ever molested a kid. I quit going and started going to Church in another denomination. I'm real happy with the Church that I'm a member of.
You changed your entire faith based on a casual ‘what if?’ scenario in your head?
Posted on 12/27/18 at 8:59 am to Clockwatcher68
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I’m sure there are plenty of denominations with sin-free pastors and flocks.
Yeah, but you'll only find one that has declared hundred (thousands?) of sinners, saints. And how many have taken a verse of the Bible, and twisted it in such a way as to make a man who not only doubted the divinity and power of Jesus, but denied Jesus and Christianity altogether when his skin was on the line, and uses it to say that Jesus founded their church through such a man, thereby legitimizing any and all subversions and degradations as long as it is church sanctioned?
Posted on 12/27/18 at 9:06 am to troyt37
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I've searched cover to cover, and I can't find a thing in the Bible
Who do you think assembled the Bible?
Posted on 12/27/18 at 9:11 am to STLDawg
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Who do you think assembled the Bible?
I'm sure most of their names were lost to history. Obviously, it was commissioned by King James. What's the relevance?
Posted on 12/27/18 at 9:15 am to troyt37
I disagree with the idea that an organization with over a billion members can be written off by the perverse actions of the few.
That's our failure as humanity, and the choice we were given. These sins are all minor compared to the big picture. Perhaps we should judge less and focus on ourselves.
Glass houses, ya know.
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As with many other constructs of man, over time corruption, pride, greed, and all of the other failures of man, make what once was beneficial to all mankind become so corrupted and wicked that it becomes the exact opposite.
That's our failure as humanity, and the choice we were given. These sins are all minor compared to the big picture. Perhaps we should judge less and focus on ourselves.
Glass houses, ya know.
Posted on 12/27/18 at 9:16 am to troyt37
If you’re looking for textual bible evidence for every little thing Catholics believe, you’re barking up the wrong tree because we don’t believe that all aspects of the faith are captured in the Bible, we also believe in sacred tradition passed down through the apostolic church. Also, sola scriptura is not prescribed anywhere in the Bible.
Posted on 12/27/18 at 9:35 am to whit
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Actually, there are substantial differences between the Christian denominations and their interpretation of scripture. From understanding of/requirements of salvation & eternal life all the way to the governance of the individual local church, some are very different than others.
Martin Luther's start of the Reformation opened the door for individuals to have freedom to interpret scripture as they feel God directs. That has led to many minor and some major differences. I encourage you to explore the scripture to see how God would lead you instead of just "accepting" the tradition.
Nailed it.
You guys do know that Martin Luther never intended for people to split from the church but for it to be reformed (i.e. indulgences). He also did not agree with people using his name to start a new religion.
Posted on 12/27/18 at 9:45 am to Scooba
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That's our failure as humanity, and the choice we were given. These sins are all minor compared to the big picture. Perhaps we should judge less and focus on ourselves.
Agreed. I get my dander up when it comes to one denomination declaring all of the others heretical. I was raised a Baptist, being taught several untruths, one of them being that other denominations thought they were the only ones going to heaven, meaning I was going to hell, by implication. Imagine my surprise in finding out that many of those denominations teach the same about us Baptists!
So as an adult, I decided that there was a distinct possibility that none of the established churches were really about teaching the Gospel of Jesus, as much as teaching their self-serving version of that Gospel. And sadly, in my roughly 30 years of admittedly pitiful research into the word of God, I have found that to be true in every sense, and every case.
I find church doctrine and dogma to be the things that church hierarchy uses to divide the people, and therefore a perversion of the teachings of Jesus. Doctrine and dogma are a construct of man, as are the various and sundry religions themselves. Jesus ascribed to no such religion, and made no provision to a particular religion in order to receive His salvation. As such, I see doctrine, dogma, and the bureaucracy of the various religions themselves as a hindrance to my salvation. Catholicism is simply the all-time worst in that regard.
Posted on 12/27/18 at 10:04 am to JumpingTheShark
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If you’re looking for textual bible evidence for every little thing Catholics believe, you’re barking up the wrong tree because we don’t believe that all aspects of the faith are captured in the Bible,
And the reason you believe that, is because church doctrine and dogma have taught you that it is okay to declare sinners, saints. And it's okay to call the church bureaucracy Father, when Jesus explicitly says to call no man Father. And it's okay to have a church sanctioned intermediary between yourself and God, who can bestow upon you absolution. And it's okay if the church decides to relocate a pedophile to victimize more children, rather than face justice. See how that works?
Posted on 12/27/18 at 10:17 am to al_cajun
From a previous post of mine:
That being said, I wouldn't donate a penny to the Church until changes all-around are made.
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While the sex abuse scandals are deplorable, it is entirely neglectful and astigmatic to ignore the plethora of great things the Catholic church has done for humanity. Also, I am not a Catholic.
That being said, I wouldn't donate a penny to the Church until changes all-around are made.
This post was edited on 12/27/18 at 10:19 am
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