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re: AstraZeneca Covid-19 Vaccine’s Benefits Outweigh Risks: WSJ

Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:13 am to
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130239 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:13 am to
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Get a blood clot and die after receiving this vaccine = no indication that the vaccine caused the blood clots.


Because the blood clots are happening LESS than they do in the general population. There's no direct correlation.

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Die in a car wreck while you have COVID counts as a COVID death though.


I'm with you here.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111392 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:16 am to
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37 clots in 17 million people.

How in the world do they know if that's related to the shot or not? The general pop has a much higher risk of clotting than those numbers.


So, according to science, wouldnt that mean data is showing the vaccine helps prevent clotting?
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
38040 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:20 am to
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Worth it IMO.


Yep, being a human guinea pig for an untested Immunotherapy is far better than catching a virus with a 98+% chance of survival.
Posted by LSUgolf04
Member since Aug 2009
349 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:25 am to
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Yep, being a human guinea pig for an untested Immunotherapy is far better than catching a virus with a 98+% chance of survival.


I've already said this in this threat, but I guess I'll say it again:

So let me get this straight, you trust a Chinese-made virus more than an American-made vaccine?
Posted by Dizz
Member since May 2008
16144 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:28 am to
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Again, statistically, I have a higher percentage chance of dying from the vaccine than I do the actual virus. But please, continue.


I am not sure why so many people just focus on the death aspect most vaccines are for illnesses that have a low mortality rate. Do you turn down every vaccine if the mortality rate is incredibly low? Plenty of people have survived but had serious complications and lingering effects which can now hopefully be avoided.
Posted by RIPMachoMan
Member since Jun 2011
9071 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:37 am to
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Do you turn down every vaccine if the mortality rate is incredibly low?


Some people do, sure. I don't understand why and COVID vaccinations are going to be common from here on out as strains continue to evolve

I am seeing a trend that those that bitch about us getting back to normal are also shitting on a vaccine that will ultimately allow for it
This post was edited on 3/16/21 at 11:38 am
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
9283 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:37 am to
I find it fascinating how the vaccine has turned so political.

If you feel you are in a higher risk category and take it, some come here and call you crazy.

If you feel you are in a low risk category and have concern because the vaccine is under emergency use authorization and not full FDA approval, you are called an anti-vaxxer.

Both positions are reasonable.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
71050 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:37 am to
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Do you turn down every vaccine if the mortality rate is incredibly low?


I certainly don't trip over my dick to get in line for the flu vaccine every year because someone told me if I am a good little boy, I may get to play with my friends again.

I will also say confidently that I have never volunteered to get an experimental gene therapy that didn't exist a year ago when R&D began, for a specific low risk virus that didn't exist 15 months before the vaccine was brought to market.
This post was edited on 3/16/21 at 11:43 am
Posted by BornCritic
Member since Nov 2020
696 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:40 am to
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So let me get this straight, you trust a Chinese-made virus more than an American-made vaccine?


I think we've all been exposed to the virus at this point, and it's not as if the vaccine will prevent you from ever getting the virus, so this doesn't seem like much of a gotcha to me.


I know that mRNA vaccines have been a known possibility for a long time now, but they haven't been tried, so we don't know long-term effects. Reading between the lines, I'm assuming that people well educated on the subject of DNA and RNA aren't worried about that, because the modifications aren't permanent?

I don't trust anything about the vaccine. I believe the authorities have fully earned that distrust based on the way they've handled this virus from the very beginning.
I don't see how someone can have seen everything we've seen this last year and not have some doubts about the vaccine.
Posted by Dizz
Member since May 2008
16144 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:47 am to
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I will also say confidently that I have never volunteered to get an experimental gene therapy that didn't exist a year ago when R&D began,


Did you get all of these talking points from an email chain or facebook? You left something about Bill Gates.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
71050 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:53 am to
No, I got it from just observing timelines of life.

I love how my personal decisions on this thing make you dick heads so mad. I don't care if you get the vaccine. I encourage it if that's the conclusion you reached for yourself. I also encourage you to maintain that humorous level of butt hurt, but that's more for me.

Eta
No clue what the Bill Gates thing is about. You seem to know more about the conspiracies than I do, which is also pretty funny.
This post was edited on 3/16/21 at 11:55 am
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30452 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:58 am to
The reality is people have trepidation about putting things in their body despite the fact almost all of us have large numbers of hypocritical views about that sort of thing.

My decision about the vaccine was based not on what doctors (outside of my wife) say but what they do and suggest their loved ones do. Given the extremely high percentage of doctors that have gotten the vaccine I personally feel comfortable despite not being at a very high risk for significant issues with the virus.

The key for me is whether or not we reach herd immunity. Without that as long as there is significant active transmission of the virus we will continue to get thousands of mutations any one of which could change how virulent the virus is. If it not only becomes more virulent but the spike protein changes enough so that the immune response current vaccines stimulate does not give protection we could end up with a FAR worse situation where even the young and fit have a high percentage of morbidity. I couldn't care less who does and does not take the vaccine as long as we reach that magic number.
Posted by Dizz
Member since May 2008
16144 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:59 am to
The names and insults would indicate that you are a bit angered. There was no anger in my post.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
71050 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 12:01 pm to
I appreciate you crawfishing on your insult.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
29881 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 12:02 pm to
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an experimental gene therapy


Good thing the current covid vaccines aren't gene therapy.
Posted by Nigel Farage
South of the Mason-Dixon
Member since Dec 2019
1242 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 12:05 pm to
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The Liberal media in Europe is simply lying and spreading false propaganda because its a British vaccine.


Ding Ding Ding, it hurts their narrative that England is an economic and health mess because they dont have the EU to lean on. frick the EU
Posted by tigerclaws15
Member since Jan 2007
3494 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 12:09 pm to
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Again, statistically, I have a higher percentage chance of dying from the vaccine than I do the actual virus. But please, continue.



no you dont
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
23008 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 12:16 pm to
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Because the blood clots are happening LESS than they do in the general population. There's no direct correlation.


I don't actually think there is a correlation between this vaccine and the blood clots I was just using that to make an equivalency to the insanity of calling every death, no matter how non-COVID related, a COVID death if the person had COVID at the time of death.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
71050 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 12:20 pm to
Sure they are. The vaccines use synthetic genetic material that is injected into your cells carrying "instructions" on how to create the spike protein without experiencing the virus itself (or a weakened/dead form of it as with many typical vaccines.) It is not leveraging the natural immune response, it's actually teaching your immune system how to create antibodies for a virus it has never experienced.

It's potentially awesome and definitely fascinating. I'm just not interested in diving into the trial at this point.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
38040 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 12:29 pm to
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Good thing the current covid vaccines aren't gene therapy



Good thing they’re not really vaccines either.
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