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re: Arguably the greatest speech in American history was delivered 160 years ago today...
Posted on 11/19/23 at 7:47 pm to Mike da Tigah
Posted on 11/19/23 at 7:47 pm to Mike da Tigah
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I just love when a people birthed in secession try to become indignant over the right of other people to choose their own government for themselves.
Well, we've clearly established it wasn't that.
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Maybe start with the constitutional grounds for federal invasion for starters.
Who fired the first shot?
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Posted on 11/19/23 at 7:47 pm to GetCocky11
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The rebels violated the Insurrection Act when they attacked Ft Sumter, leading to the military deployment.
They weren’t rebelling. They seceded. Enormous difference in between a rebellion and a divorce and forming a new government. But this plays to a people who really don’t understand the concept of what a state is, much less their sovereignty to begin with.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 7:48 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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What you should be concerned with is why you feel the need to try and belittle people over such things
i don’t start fights, i just finish them,
old man.
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As I've said many times, your little paint by numbers life clearly isn't what you try and make it out to be.
even if, it would still amount to more than anything youve ever accomplished. bye bye
This post was edited on 11/19/23 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 11/19/23 at 7:48 pm to Mike da Tigah
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They weren’t rebelling. They seceded.
They attacked a US military installation. Act of war, act of rebellion, it doesn’t make much of a difference.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 7:49 pm to Klark Kent
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this is where you call me a racist, again.
Wait, are you suggesting the BLM marches were anything like the campaign of political suppression against freed black people in the aftermath of the CW?
Posted on 11/19/23 at 7:50 pm to Klark Kent
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i don’t start fights, i just finish them,
You really need to stop lying to yourself.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 7:50 pm to crazy4lsu
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Not sure why you keep using Malcolm X's viewpoint as though it is dispositive.
Because whether you know it or not you are echoing his racist rhetoric and divisive ideology.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 7:50 pm to crazy4lsu
nope. i’m heavily suggesting you aren’t capable of forming a fair opinion because of your political beliefs
This post was edited on 11/19/23 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 11/19/23 at 7:52 pm to dsides
I joke about people being legitimately angry 24/7 in here on the reg but crazy4lsu is next level
Now he’ll say it’s fun to post here because we’re all so very stupid and he’s so very intelligent
Now he’ll say it’s fun to post here because we’re all so very stupid and he’s so very intelligent
Posted on 11/19/23 at 7:52 pm to Mike da Tigah
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But this plays to a people who really don’t understand the concept of what a state is, much less their sovereignty to begin with.
South Carolina ceded the grounds of Fort Sumter to the United States well before 1861 and then had the gall to engage in a siege and then demand the garrison leave so that they would be starved out. They were acting like a state, with full knowledge that as a state, they were violating the sovereignty of another state, and thus paid the consequence.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 7:52 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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You really need to stop lying to yourself.
oooof. now that’s hilarious Early
Posted on 11/19/23 at 7:53 pm to dsides
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Because whether you know it or not you are echoing his racist rhetoric and divisive ideology.
How specifically?
Posted on 11/19/23 at 7:53 pm to Sun God
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Now he’ll say it’s fun to post here because we’re all so very stupid and he’s so very intelligent
Now you are getting it. Run along.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 7:54 pm to crazy4lsu
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How specifically?
Read your posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 7:54 pm to crazy4lsu
See we’re not that dumb
Posted on 11/19/23 at 7:55 pm to Klark Kent
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nope. i’m heavily suggesting you aren’t capable of forming a fair opinion because of your political beliefs
Yeah, I knew you would back down. That was an insanely stupid equivalence.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 7:56 pm to crazy4lsu
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Well, we've clearly established it wasn't that.
It is EXACTLY the same secession and right to secession that the colonies used with England.
That’s the only thing that is established here.
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Who fired the first shot?
Who mustered troops first for the purpose of invasion of not South Carolina, but the whole of the Confederate States of America?
This isn’t grounds for treason. War perhaps, but not treasonous acts, since clearly they were no longer united with the other states.
HALF of the Confederacy hadn’t even seceded before Lincoln mustered those troops for invasion.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 7:56 pm to dsides
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Read your posts
See, here is the chance for you to post something Malcom X wrote and compare it to my posts to prove your point. Yet, you back down again, after you couldn't even make a point earlier. Sad.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 7:58 pm to GetCocky11
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They attacked a US military installation. Act of war, act of rebellion, it doesn’t make much of a difference.
Everyone leaves out the Economic warfare the North used for close to 40 years prior though for some weird reason
Posted on 11/19/23 at 7:58 pm to Mike da Tigah
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Who mustered troops first for the purpose of invasion of not South Carolina, but the whole of the Confederate States of America?
Troops representing the so-called Confederate States of America attacked the fort.
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