re: Are we ever gonna beat cancer?

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I live with a cancer, that is "relatively" beat.

Hopefully the drug doesn't kill me, but for the last 6 years, the little pill is winning and the leukemia is still losing.

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I have CLL, haven't had any treatment yet. Supposedly a pill that you can take but it cost around 10k a month, and my doctor will treat with chemo first for those healthy enough to handle it.

Less than a year ago they got clinical confirmation of an Ebola vaccine.

2 years ago they got one for malaria and dengue fever.

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Toxic Shock Syndrome occurs in .0035% of the population. That means it would take more than 40 years of present treatment to cause your "100s of thousands of people died without that drug"

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The drug was developed in the mid 1990's, it's almost 2018 now, about halfway to your sources 40 year estimate.

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It is a very severe disease that requires hospitalization, but it is NOT the #1 inpatient killer.

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Just looked it up and you are now correct. Now Embolisms and DVT are considered #1 killer of inpatients. Not bothering other part of your paragraph as inpatient was key to op, not outpatient requiring hospitalization. Moving goalposts.

Treatments have advanced on TSS but still a lot of unnecessary deaths since a 1 time dosage is possible just not "worth it". We know the establishment (insurance company/hospitals/pharmaceutical company) value of a human life is approximately $10,000 or less.

Big Business and back alley crap game are not so different, only the dollar value differs. Just like the old adage about just negotiating the price with the chick at the bar.

Peej beat it

CML here, Roger.

I've been on sprycel for 6 years, retail is about $8k/month. I have no idea what blue cross really pays for it, I've heard estimates of about 1500-2000/month.

Sorry I know nothing about CLL. I'm sure you already have, but know that there are plenty of FB groups that focus on specific diseases that can be Very helpful. I like my doc, but I have been very involved in steering my own treatment (primarily minimizing the dosage.) I currently take less than half the recommended dosage. Tried getting off of it, but that didn't work.

Best of luck!

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So you double down instead of admitting you were wrong.

Even throw out knee jerk comments like “shifting goal posts” which would be a pretty fricking neat trick to do in my first post ever on the topic

And this is after you sidestep admitting your dramatic “hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths” statement was false. That 40 year statement was the minimum to get to 200k deaths.

I didn’t even include the most damning part of all:

The current mortality rate of the majority source of TSS is 50%. Damn.....that number seems familiar. On wait, that’s right, that’s the number you said your BIL’s magic drug would get the mortality to.

So this means one of the following:

1) you meant half of the remaining 50% (bringing mortality to 25%), in wish case you are even further from your sensationalist statement. But saying that hundreds of thousands will die over the next 100 years in a country containing hundreds of millions doesn’t have quite the same punch, does it?

2) The drug was actually released and widely utilized and you didn’t know it, which kinda kills your premise of the big bad insurance company.

Make your choice. (Sorry, just watched all the Saw movies)

But you know what? Ignore the owning above. Let’s go back to your shifting goalposts comment. A thought occurred to me where I can have a lot more fun.

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Not bothering other part of your paragraph as inpatient was key to op, not outpatient requiring hospitalization. Moving goalposts

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O rly? Let’s take a look at the OP.

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Every other charity is fighting cancer. This shite has been going on for decades. Cancer is still kicking our assess.


I think the people who run this shite figured this out a long time ago, take our money and go to buy strippers and blow

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Don’t see anything about inpatient or outpatient there. Unless you want to make some convoluted statement that because he is talking about cancer patients, who often take chemo....you know what....not even going to pretend to go down the train of thought even as a joke.

He doesn’t. Period. Any vague implicit inferences that can be made don’t override your explicit statements. You know, where you twice say “all hospital patients” with no talk of in patient vs out patient. But yeah, it’s the other guy shifting the goal posts.

But I’d be really interested to see your source as to how TSS is even the third leading cause of death in your revised statement. I question because embolism and DVT are listed according to you, and yet they are the same thing.

Granted, they might be separated for specificity, but it just seems odd to have one of the two be a subcategory of the broad other.

Additionally I question it because the third overall cause of death, with no limiting issues, is medical malpractice. Or maybe that’s too strong...”doctor’s mistakes”

So if it’s that big of a deal to be attributed so high with no limiting qualifiers, forgive me when I question that it’s even lower on the list with you remove everyone not under a doctor’s care from the pool. Especially below something that kills so few patients.

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Estimates from population-based studies have documented an incidence of invasive GAS infection of 1.5-5.2 cases per 100,000 people annually. [8] Approximately 8-14% of these patients also will develop TSS. [9] A history of recent varicella infection markedly increases the risk of infection with GAS to 62.7 cases per 100,000 people per year. Severe soft tissue infections, including necrotizing fasciitis, myositis, or cellulitis, were present in approximately half of the patients

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For fricks sake dude, your smoking gun kills around at thousand people a year. Even the most optimistic interpretation of what you have said would change it by 250 people a year difference.

I was generous with my assumptions to get to 40 years for hundreds of thousands of deaths, not knowing the knowledge you were basing that statement on. Care to recalculate?

Like I said, there is so much factually wrong with your post there is no why to tell what’s right.

I can only wish. My dog was diagnosed with stage 5 cancer this week. Even with treatment, this 3 year old dog only has maybe 1, at most 2 years to live.

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Cancer is increasing in incidence. One out of every two people will get cancer, if another comorbid disease doesn't kill you. We are fighting, but still losing. I'm currently reading up on snake venom research, in which some types affect cells in the same way as chemotherapy.

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Are cancers increasing in incidence, or is it just our ability to detect them is better due to advances in diagnostic technology. The director of oncology at a major medical center has said we likely all have some type of cancer which will usually be kept in check by our immune system, and will not be a issue in a normal lifetime. The problem created by our advancing technology is how to determine which cancers should be treated, and which should be left alone.