re: Are there any confirmed negative impacts of data centers?

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I just said I was against it, but hell, I use it. It is very nice to simply ask a question and get immediate results for a study I was looking for rather than spending an hour looking for it. My field is specialized so AI isn't always correct. Not yet anyway

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but why are you against it? what exactly about it bothers you?

the stats show its almost all recirculated water now, they are mainly building their own power plants, mainly built in middle of no where

would you rather us turn it over and let china build them all?

and AI is only going to be as smart as the information you feed it. my field is specialized too and i use it all the time.

you can use it to automate task

create dashboards and feed it tons of reference material that you can have it search and recall data quickly and easy so you dont have to search quick and easy.

you can ask it to pull certain reference manuals and tell it to give you page numbers for certain items so you dont have to sit there and research etc

not to mention you can use them to build apps while talking in plain language and have it do all the coding for you

AI is not going to replace most people, People who learn to use AI efficiently to 2x or 3x their productivity will though.

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China going all in on solar and EVs while convincing the US to hold ourselves back.

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oh yea china is really doing a great job of that huh? leaving out the fricking part about them building coal plants at a pace we have never seen before


its real simple, the US should set a goal that by 2050 50% of all the Power in the US should be from nuclear and by 2075, 95% should be from nuclear. All new AI centers should have to be build with mini nuclear reactors to power them.

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Yea China is going to be the world's largest producer of EVs by a LOT. Most people on the globe buying cars will be buying Chinese EVs in 20 years.

Probably won't ever be a thing here, but china (duh), ocenia, europe, africa and south america will be buying the shite out of chinese evs.

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i wasnt saying they werent. and most cars will eventually be EV but have to have the grid to support that.

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Ok? China has the largest and most dominant renewables portfolio in the world and they just announced today a plan to increase that capacity by over 50% in the next 5 years.

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yea i dont believe that at all. sorry I dont trust them or shite they say

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I'm not even a renewables guy (I'm in oil and gas) but I'm just laughing at the notion that anti-data center sentiment is driven by china but anti-ev/renewables sentiment is totally organic despite the fact that China very openly is trying to be the world supplier of solar and EV and it's biggest (only?)( potential competitor is very clearly the United States.

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im in O&G too but that is not what people are saying. they are saying its a chinese pys-op because china wants to control AI and be the leader in data centers and doesnt want to compete with us. has zero to do with solar or EV or anything of the sort

its very very well known that china is openly contributing to anti data center rhetoric.

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China has the largest and most dominant renewables portfolio in the world and they just announced today a plan to increase that capacity by over 50% in the next 5 years.

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And they’re going to grow that without the US market participating which is insane but they’re doing it.

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A ton of facilities produce their own power OR pay above residential rates.

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Not in my neck of the woods. These massive facilities will get their tax break, and a cut rate for water and power.

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how much you want to pay for power?

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huh? nuclear is cheaper.

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huh? nuclear is cheaper.

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No. It is not.

Nuke is about the same as a gas peaker.

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And they want to be the leaders in renewables and EVs too. Hence my OP stating that the anti-ev/anti-renewable sentiment in America is a chinese psyop. The world will *eventually* be driven by EVs and renewables. China wants to be sure their only/biggest competitor (USA) is mired in political infighting regarding those industries while they happily pour trillions into them.

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it will not be driven by renewables. they can pour whatever the frick they want it to it. renewables are shite and cost way more.

go watch the scene in landman. yea its fake but pretty much everything he said is correct. renewables are dog shite. Nuke power is the future period.

i agree EV is the future on cars but not anytime soon in america as we prefer to drive longer distances. let market forces handle that.

i really give two fricks what china does in terms of EV or renewables, i wish they would go more towards that as it cleans up air more. but overall that shite doesnt affect me much. being anti AI data centers will though

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No. It is not.

Nuke is about the same as a gas peaker.

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upfront it is but over time that normalizes. nuclear power cost trends down over a 25 year span

i get the cost per Kwh but mini nuclear reactors are the future imo.

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Are there any confirmed negative impacts of data centers?

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the further expansion of AI into all of our lives whether we want it or not?